ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bolt

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DUDE YOU KNOW THAT ALL CAPS MAKE IT HARDER AND MANY PEOPLE JUST IGNORE WHAT U SAY HUH>>>....

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People better ignore what he is trying to say. It is flurry of amateur comments that puts off sensible ones from contributing on this forum.

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Its so sad that you think that im the amateur considering that i have friends from Mosul and you don't most of you probably haven't even met an Iraqi and are just speculating. Well if you meet one ask them and if their not lying they will most likely tell you what i said.

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I do it for myself , plus its vital information delivered from people who are Iraqi and who have contacts with their family in Iraq. If people don't want to read it cause its in caps its their loss.

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According to an iraqi friend of mine. It was't ISIS who killed shia prisoners. In fact the prisoners were sunni and most likely from Mosul. Maliki dressed his army into ISIS clothes to trick everyone and killed sunni prisoners claiming they were shia so that he would be able to attack Mosul without consequences. What actually happened is that in Mosul people have been kidnapped by the government and tortured despite the people protesting. So a group of locals from Mosul uprose against the injustice and kicked out the iraqi army with minimal harm. Most of the iraqi army ran away as you saw on the news. Maliki got his own army to dress up as ISIS and kill innocent civilians so that USA would support him attacking Mosul.

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Judging from your posts i've just read your the one who knows nothing.

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It is NOT ISIS. Its iraqi army dressed as them my iraqi friend people he knows were killed by these army members dressed up

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Is Democracy right? YES

Was AMrici calculation right? NO

Its that simple. US trusted wrong people since beginning. Does that mean you start blaming the system? Hell No.

you know wut its said in west? That Arabs have zero endurance and tolerance so democracy is not for them. Wuts happening right now is proving it right but I wish middle easterners prove it wrong somehow. Seems like impossible right now.

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Hm.. so you are saying Iraqi army dresses like ISIS first and then kill their own fellow sunni army men. right?

Apparently it looks like a perfect conspiracy theory.

Second if we try to believe your theory, it has to be supplemented with proof. Your friends have proof, please provide it to independent media like NYtimes, telegraph, latimes etc.

Third, even if we believe on every word of what you said above. Let me tell you this. In US itself Maliki is the most hated person right now as everyone is blaming him for current situation. His weaknesses are popped up like something. He's done. US will get rid of him as soon as this ISIS thing gets a break. so, as per you and your friends, if Maliki orchestrated it to get US help himself, he's getting bitten in his ass himself. Do you think Maliki is that stupid to do that?

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To be quite frank it is rather worrying when a professional army with a budget of $17Bn is being slaughtered by a few thousand militants.

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I was wondering why. Army did not put up the fight. Now reading some articles it looks like it was not the soldiers but the commanders who were responsible. They ordered the soldiers to give up their positions and leave. So soldiers were left with nobody to lead them.

It looks like most commanders colluded with ISIS.

The report below tells that there were 30 times more soldiers than ISIS men. It is unfathomable that such a large number would not put up any fight.

http://www.aawsat.net/2014/06/article55333248
International media reported that two division of Iraqi soldiers—roughly 30,000 men—fled an insurgent ISIS force of approximately 1,000.

“We are not deserters. Our commanders abandoned us while we were sleeping at night, and fled by helicopter,” Mahmoud Fahd, an Iraqi soldier who survived the ISIS attack told Asharq Al-Awsat.

“When we woke up in the morning, there were no [military] officials at the post. Our officers told us to put on civilian clothes and return to our families,” the Iraqi soldier added.

The humiliating retreat raised the possibility that senior Iraqi military leaders were colluding with ISIS, particularly following reports that former regime figures—including outlawed Ba’athist party leader Izzat Al-Douri—had been seen alongside the radical Sunni Islamists.

Fahd accused the General Commander of Iraq’s Land Forces Lt. General Ali Ghaidan Majid and Nineveh Operations Command chief Mahdi Al-Ghrawi of treason.

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As far as characters like tamur here, we know them all too well in Pakistan. Even after Taliban killings of thousands of innocent Pakistanis, some people continue to shift blame from Taliban. Even when Taliban proudly claim those killings.

There is no point arguing with them based on reason with unreasonable folks.

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Dear tamur, I do not need your ‘friend’s’ report from Mosul as I have been to Iraq several time myself and most recently a few months back. I am attaching for your view copy of my latest passport entry stamp into Iraq. I have traveled extensively thorough Iraq and let me tell you how I see current situation in Iraq.

While I find most of people around dancing to the tune of media when they talk about Shia-Sunni issues & Iraq. The fact is that in Iraq there is secular govt in place. Yes, it is ‘Shia dominated government’ but bear in mind that this is a country with SUNNI president, a SUNNI Speaker of Parliament, a SUNNI Foreign Minister. Even the parliament members are well represented by various factions like the Baathists, nationalists, communists, Islamic parties, tribal and ethnic parties and in terms of sectarian divide with more than 50% of MPs being non-Shia. Sunni Arabs have their own police force, and active in the army especially in Sunni provinces, one of the evidence is that they gave in so easily to ISIS attacks for different reasons.

Sunnis for being Kurd and different than Arabs, have their own mini-state, their own army, their own little-president, and they own every inch of their oil and wealth and they sell it to whatever country and market they want… and they raise their own flags…

However corrupt and useless it might be it is not the Iraqi government that is sectarian here. Nor are the Shia and Sunni religious leaders whose voices are deliberately being blanketed by governments that consider the world as their play board and they want further destruction of Iraq. The only group I see sectarian in the group that is bombing markets and places of worships, beheading people, and willing to break the country apart much to the delight of sharks waiting to steal whatever remaining resources country Iraq has left.

http://s18.postimg.org/gsb3z5wid/20140619_130508.jpg

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As I said yesterday, Maliki is done, finished , adios, bye bye.. here is the breaking news today from NYtimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/20/world/middleeast/maliki-iraq.html

Iraqi Factions Jockey to Oust Maliki, With U.S. Support

By ALISSA J. RUBIN and ROD NORDLANDJUNE 19, 2014

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Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, a Shiite, has marginalized other Iraqi groups and has been widely blamed for the ballooning Sunni insurgency.CreditAgence France-Presse — Getty Images
BAGHDAD — Alarmed over the Sunni insurgent mayhem convulsing Iraq, the country’s political leaders are actively jockeying to replace Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, American and Iraqi officials said Thursday.
The political leaders have been encouraged by what they see as newfound American support for replacing Mr. Maliki with someone more acceptable to Iraq’s Sunnis and Kurds, as well as to the Shiite majority.
Over the past two days the American ambassador, Robert S. Beecroft, along with Brett McGurk, the senior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform, and with Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister, according to people close to each of those factions, as well as other political figures.

“Brett and the ambassador met with Mr. Nujaifi yesterday and they were open about this, they do not want Maliki to stay,” Nabil al-Khashab, the senior political adviser to Mr. Nujaifi, said Thursday.
“We will not allow a third term for the prime minister; they must change him if they want things to calm down,” said Mr. Khashab.
Mr. Maliki, a Shiite, has marginalized other Iraqi groups, pursuing sectarian policies that are widely blamed for the ballooning Sunni insurgency that has seized vast swaths of territory in northern and western Iraq, with extremist fighters now threatening to march on Baghdad and invade the heavily Shiite south.

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Visiting Iraqi isn’t the same as being one of the people and living their for your whole life and seeing whats happening their. Their name might be sunni but trust me their alliance lies elsewhere. Its obvious that alot of you seem to be making fun of me and claiming that i know nothing so no point trying, gonna leave this forum and believe what you want to. My facts come straight from the people who have lived in iraq all their lives, i could link you to their facebook accounts but that would be invading their privacy. Also i never believe everything i read on the news, nor do i make up these “conspiracy” theories.

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Believe what you want from forums like these when you meet up with an Iraqi from Mosul you ask them what they think then tell them to their face their lying and that its all conspiracy theories and see how they reply back to you who knows so much about the situation from behind your screen.

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Not Us to help him but to not interfer when he attacks Mosul. Believe what you want from behind your screen when you meet up with Iraqi people ask them what they think then tell them their lying. I'm just the messenger so don't shoot me. I have evidence but it invades peoples privacy and involves skyping with people abroad who only know arabic so how will you communicate with them, plus their my friends family so they wont know you.

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My information is not from my house but from the world media.
We Pakistanis are all too familiar with takfir conspiracy theories. And it does not matter whether one is from Mosul or Karachi. Because conspiracy theories can be fabricated anywhere.

So khariji-apologists can continue to spew their conspiracy theories here all they want. I don't want to waste my time replying to them.

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I’ve only watched the first video and this is exactly what i’ve been saying all along!