Re: ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bol
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Re: ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bol
In Pakistan, it's still much harder since 1. Pakistan is nuclear. and 2. Pakistan has an intact government and army, not a newbie fledgling after-school club trying to run a country, like what we see in Iraq.
Yes everyone says it can never happen, but things do happen. Lets not forget that not long ago taliban were in control of Swat and were threatening to march on Islamabad.
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Not all Sunnis are supporting ISIS because they don't agree to its violence. But ISI do have supporters there. These supporters may have resentment from Maliki government but they should have realized what ISIS is. Besides, even if ISIS sweeps through all of Iraq, its gains will be temporary. No one would support such organization. Saudis, Iranians, Kurds, Turkey, US, everyone will work to take out ISIS. So there is no point supporting it.
One interesting this is that ISIS did not find any resistance in all fallen cities. Iraqi army did not engage them at all. The army just melted away.
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Have the swept Kurdish areas too? Is Mosul part of Kurdish North?
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No they have not swept Kurdish areas, bcoz Kurds because Kurds do not have sectarian conflicts between them and they fight back. Rather Kurds have taken over Karkook from militants. While in Mosul had 30,000 Iraqi force, couple of thousand militants show up and all 30,000 army run away.
On the other hand it was sunni tribes that fought off militants before and expelled them, but Maliki got scared of their power and started to do everything to weaken them, including killing tribal leaders, while his own army is not willing to fight.
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Have the swept Kurdish areas too? Is Mosul part of Kurdish North?
No.. not yet anyway..
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Maliki.....including killing tribal leaders.....
A reference would b appreciated on above....
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it seems as if the secular Kurds are not immune to all of this:
Young Kurds fight alongside ISIL in Syria - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
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Check the news from “former US military officials”
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The fact that ISIS was kicked out of Al-Qaeda is indicative of how deranged they are - these pigs need to be vanquished. However on the flip side their level of organization is unparalleled amongst the Sunni extremists. They have been funding themselves through occupying strategic assets like refineries, granaries etc. Even when they occupied Mosul, they emptied out currency from the banks.
I don't want to turn this thread sectarian, however that element can not be overlooked. This U.S. invasion of Iraq has done nothing but strengthen the Shia crescent stretching from Iran to Lebanon. The fact that Maliki effectively shut out the Sunni political and tribal elite, did not help matters. The fact remains that Shias have outsized political influence in the ME at this time and they will be cut down to size in the near future.
WIth regards to ISIS, they will not be able to take Baghdad for a number of reasons: 1. The Iraqi army withdrew without a fight in the North (something that they master of -- like the during the U.S. invasion). 2. Shia mobilization, even before the call by Ayatollah Seistani had begun. 3. Iranians have sent a detachment of the Revolutionary guards + advisers. 4. The U.S./Western powers may accelerate weapons deliveries to the Iraqi army.
Most of all, these ISIS cretins don't even truly represent the Sunni community.
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Have the swept Kurdish areas too? Is Mosul part of Kurdish North?
Mosul isn't Erbil is where most iraqis from mosul have gone to
Re: ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bol
The fact that ISIS was kicked out of Al-Qaeda is indicative of how deranged they are - these pigs need top be vanquished. However on the flip side their level of organization is unparalleled amongst the Sunni extremists. They have been funding themselves through occupying strategic assets like refineries, granaries etc. Even when they occupied Mosul, they emptied out currency from the banks.
I don't want to turn this thread sectarian, however that element can not be overlooked. This U.S. invasion of Iraq has done nothing but strengthen the Shia secret stretching from Iran to Lebanon. The fact that Maliki effectively shut out the Sunni political and tribal elite, did not help matters. The fact remains that Shias have outsized political influence in the ME at this time and they will be cut down to size in the near future.
WIth regards to ISIS, they will not be able to take Baghdad for a number of reasons: 1. The Iraqi army withdrew without a fight in the North (something that they master of -- like the during the U.S. invasion). 2. Shia mobilization, even before the call by Ayatollah Seistani had begun. 3. Iranians have sent a detachment of the Revolutionary guards + advisers. 4. The U.S./Western powers may accelerate weapons deliveries to the Iraqi army.
Most of all, these ISIS cretins don't even truly represent the Sunni community.
You cant blame them for not attacking as its not safe and no one wants another syria to happen . My Iraqi friend from Mosul says that ISIS was protecting the people of Mosul and allowing them to have a normal life as most of his family live there. The telegraph newspaper also supports this claim.
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This is why the American government should not get involved in overthrowing governments. Whatever was happening, Saddam, as horrible as he was, had Iraq controlled. It wasn't this crapshow. Same goes for Libya, Egypt, etc. These countries don't deserve democracies. They are barbaric to their core, they are tribal, and they believe in tribal warfare, regardless of what Islam has been teaching them for centuries. Old habits die hard.
May Allah help the people out there, the world is becoming increasingly evil.
And America deserves democracy despite causing most wars around the world?. They are all humans and all deserve humanity regardless of what a few bad people in their countries do. I used to think like you but put America or any European country in their shoes and they would react the same if not worse their is only so much war and suffering a country can take before it goes crazy look at any example from rwanda to afghanistan the main trigger of the issue was that they were living in a extremely negativ/ problematic life to begin with.
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You cant blame them for not attacking as its not safe and no one wants another syria to happen . My Iraqi friend from Mosul says that ISIS was protecting the people of Mosul and allowing them to have a normal life as most of his family live there. The telegraph newspaper also supports this claim.
ISIS is hardly the protectors of anything but their own organizational advantages.Their own promotional videos are so gruesome and graphic that I doubt anyone can argue that they are a positive force in either Syria or Iraq.
Re: ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bol
ISIS is hardly the protectors of anything but their own organizational advantages.Their own promotional videos are so gruesome and graphic that I doubt anyone can argue that they are a positive force in either Syria or Iraq.
Yeh i don't agree with any group that harms another neither should any muslims they should support the group that protects. Having said that i am just informing others what my friends have said who have direct contact with Iraq also some of those videos are fake or by a few extreme individuals but the general feeling apparently is that the people of Mosul feel safer with ISIS then their government so imagine how much worse the government must be if thats the case. Either way i feel in Iraq and similarly in Syria there are no good groups to support other than the civilians who want peace and freedom in their country and thats who i support.
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A reference would b appreciated on above....
That was my impression, but checking news again, it seems they killed people while arresting sunni tribal leaders.
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And if things could get any worse for Pakistan, there are accounts of Pakistani shias travel to Syria to fight alongside syrian army. Now you get another wave of trained militants that will eventually get back and continue violence.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0
Militants Claim Mass Execution of Iraqi Forces
By ROD NORDLAND and ALISSA J. RUBINJUNE 15, 2014
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An image posted by militants from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria appears to show insurgents leading away captured Iraqi soldiers. The militants’ claims of mass execution could not be independently verified. Creditvia Associated PressContinue reading the main story
BAGHDAD — Wielding the threat of sectarian slaughter, Sunni Islamist militants claimed on Sunday that they had massacred hundreds of captive Shiite members of Iraq’s security forces, posting grisly pictures of a mass execution in Tikrit as evidence and warning of more killing to come.
Even as anecdotal reports of extrajudicial killings around the country seemed to bear out the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria’s intent to kill Shiites wherever they could, Iraqi officials and some human rights groups cautioned that the militants’ claim to have killed 1,700 soldiers in Tikrit could not be immediately verified.
But with their claim, the Sunni militants were reveling in an atrocity that if confirmed would be the worst yet in the conflicts that roil the region, outstripping even the poison gas attack near Damascus last year.
In an atmosphere where there were already fears that the militants’ sudden advance near the capital would prompt Shiite reprisal attacks against Sunni Arab civilians, the claims by ISIS were potentially explosive. And that is exactly the militant group’s stated intent: to stoke a return to all-out sectarian warfare that would bolster its attempts to carve out a Sunni Islamist caliphate that crosses borders through the region.
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An image posted on militant websites on Saturday appeared to show fighters with captured Iraqi soldiers in plainclothes after taking over a base in Tikrit. Creditmilitant website, via Associated PressThe sectarian element of the killings may also put more pressure on the Obama administration to aid Iraq militarily. In fact, the militants seemed to be counting on it. A pronouncement on Sunday by the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, had a clear message for the United States: “Soon we will face you, and we are waiting for this day.”
The group’s announcement was made in a series of gruesome photographs uploaded to an ISIS Twitter feed and on websites late on Saturday night. Some showed insurgents, many wearing black masks, lining up at the edges of what looked like shallow mass graves and apparently firing their weapons into young men who had their hands bound behind their backs and were packed closely together in large groups.
The photographs showed what appeared to be seven massacre sites, although several of them may have been different views of the same sites. In any one of the pictures, no more than about 60 victims could be seen and sometimes as few as 20 at each of the sites, although it was not clear if the photographs showed the entire graves.
The militants’ captions seemed tailor-made to ignite anger and fear among Shiites. “The filthy Shiites are killed in the hundreds,” one read. “The liquidation of the Shiites who ran away from their military bases,” read another, and, “This is the destiny of Maliki’s Shiites,” referring to Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.
Many of the captions mocked the victims. In one photograph, showing a group of young men walking toward an apparent execution site, where armed masked men awaited, the caption read, “Look at them walking to death on their own feet.”
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So far, Iraq’s majority Shiites were not rising to the bait. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, their supreme religious leader, issued a statement on Saturday calling for all groups to “exert the highest possible level of self-restraint during this tumultuous period.” And there was little immediate public reaction to the ISIS claims in Baghdad or other southern Iraqi cities.
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A senior Iraqi government official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make press statements, said news of the executions was slow to circulate because Twitter and other social media sites had been blocked for days. “I don’t doubt they are real, but 1,700 is a big number,” he said. “We are trying to control the reaction.”
Acutely aware of the potential for retaliatory violence, some government officials who had heard about the ISIS claims took pains to play them down, confirming only that some executions had taken place in Tikrit, but not on a large scale.
One Iraqi security official claimed that no more than 11 bodies of executed soldiers were recovered from the Tigris River downstream from the execution site, a group of six and a group of five, although he confirmed that 800 soldiers had been taken prisoner in the area. He also reported finding 17 bodies washed up against a dam near Samarra, another city the militants are fighting for. But, he said, “There is no such superstitious number as 1,700 people executed.”
An official statement posted on the Ministry of Defense’s website denied the executions had taken place at all.
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“We’re trying to verify the pics and I am not convinced they are authentic,” said Erin Evers, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Iraq. “As far as ISIS claiming it has killed 1,700 people and publishing horrific photos to support that claim, it is unfortunately in keeping with their pattern of commission of atrocities, and obviously intended to further fuel sectarian war.”
Col. Suhail al-Samaraie, head of the Awakening Council in Samarra, a pro-government Sunni grouping, confirmed that officials in Salahuddin Province were aware of large-scale executions having taken place, but did not know how many. “They are targeting anyone working with the government side, any place, anywhere,” he said. He said the insurgents were targeting both Sunnis and Shiites, anyone with a government affiliation, but claiming for propaganda reasons that the victims were all Shiites.
A New York Times employee in Tikrit said local residents saw hundreds of Iraqi military personnel captured when they tried to flee Camp Speicher, a former American military base and airfield now used as an air force training center on the edge of Tikrit. It is still in government hands.
Most of those captured were air force cadets, the employee said. Those who were Sunnis were given civilian clothes and sent home; the Shiites were marched and trucked off to the grounds of Saddam Hussein’s old palace in Tikrit, where they reportedly were executed. He added that the bodies had been dumped in the Tigris River, which runs by the palace compound.
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The ISIS photographs appeared to have been taken at that location, the employee said. However, he said he had not spoken to any witnesses who claimed to have seen the executions or the victims’ bodies.
Ryan C. Crocker, a former ambassador to Iraq and a critic of America’s 2011 withdrawal from that nation after the two countries failed to sign a mutual security pact, said the atrocity claims, proven or not, made it more urgent than ever for Washington to become involved.
“What this administration has to do is get John Kerry on a plane right now, like we did when I was there, and sit down with Shia, Sunni and Kurdish leaders and help them get to a position of declared national unity. Iraqis have to stand together now,” Mr. Crocker said. Regarding the massacres, he said, “Whatever it is, however many people, it’s clearly an effort to ignite an Iraqi civil war.”
Political analysts here mostly agreed about the militants’ intent. “The problem now is that you are dealing with emotions and ISIS is trying to provoke the other side to take revenge,” said Ameer Jabbar al-Sa’aedi, a Baghdad-based analyst. “There are extremists among the Shia, too, and if they respond, they could begin killing and not exclude anyone. It would be just like what happened in 2006.”
Even though Ayatollah Sistani’s statement over the weekend was intended to call for restraint on the part of Shiites, it came after his call just a day before for every Iraqi to take up arms to support the government.
That appeal was expected to greatly accelerate the formation of volunteer groups to supplement Shiite militias — nominally to fight alongside the Iraqi Army. But during the worst of the sectarian bloodletting in Iraq, from 2005 through 2007, some such Shiite groups were deeply involved in violence that was killing as many as 1,000 civilians every week.
One militia leader, Abu Bakr al-Zubaidi, from a group called Asaib Al Haq, a hard-line offshoot of the Mahdi Army militia, said he was not surprised to hear of the executions.
“ISIS regards Shia as their eternal enemy, and they will kill whoever falls in their hands who is Shia, whether they are soldiers, grocers or even singers,” he said. “Our response to that is there will not be any living ISIS prisoner.”
Tim Arango contributed reporting from Erbil, Iraq, and Aziz Alwan from Baghdad.
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just what a beautiful image being given to the rest of the world from these thaikaydars of islam.
guess this must be the next plan for pakistan and afghanistan too ?
damn, tensions increasing in the middle east
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Extremists are old but who gathered them
Pakistan
Salute to the man