Re: “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam”.
ISIS act in a way which is unislamic. Having a beard and saying takbir does not make you Muslim. You become Muslim when you submit to Allah and follow His prophet pbuh. In no way are their actions similar to the actions of the prophet pbuh. They not only kill non Muslims, they also kill Muslims. The open letter by 120 qualified Muslim scholars completely and adequately explains why Isis is not Islam in any way shape or form.
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psyah, what is the purpose of saying something even if it may be 100% true, if it doesn’t communicate through what you want to say? Tact can be crucial, you know what the audience to your comments are like, what they have in terms of exposure to islam from the likes of Anjum Chaudhry, Faux news, etc etc.
As for denouncing - saying they are nothing to you is not denouncing, it is disowning. Denouncing would be imploring and organizing your leaders to take action against ISIS. Political demonstrations against them. Maybe I am mistaken but I havent seen the kind of fervor a lot of muslims show when it comes to condemning Israel on Palestinian atrocities when it comes to ISIS. Even in Jordan, no one was particularly interested in condemning ISIS until the pilot was burnt alive on video. Do you think innocent bangali school girls would be tempted to go join ISIS if there was serious condemnation and awareness?
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This is fair, but the latter is politically more relevant than the former which may be pedantically true, but the connotations for the purpose of this discussion is that ISIS is a valid Islamic actor, and so can be used in some sense as representative of the political inclinations or aspirations of religious minded Muslims. So, by negating the former (it has something to do with Islam), I think it’s a very cowardly way of negating the latter.
You are right about lack of PR. But given that the prime victims of ISIS are other Muslims, I’d suggest it takes serious gall to suggest somehow *we *have to explain ourselves. I’m more concerned by why ISIS is being allowed to succeed by Muslim states in the region.
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External intervention will always be there, and such intervention must be condemned. Starting warfare in another country for geopolitical gains is obviously wrong from any point of view. But if muslims make themselves stronger, they will be better equipped to withstand external pressure. So how does muslim nations become stronger and what can muslims themselves do about the issue of extremism?
Are some muslims providing the means to their children, to have a fanatic and uncritical approach to their religion, or is this notion wrong?
Should sanctity of human life be held higher than sanctity of religion, or would that be a wrong approach?
Is “all other religions are false and everyone else will burn in hell”, something many muslim children are thaught, or was the mosque I attended as a child among the minorities to advocate such a view? And does such a view create zealots or not?
Muslim nations and societies denying freedom of religion (which includes converting away from islam, and non-muslim proselytizing their religion freely to muslims) creates zealots or not?
Will there ever be a time when the different sects and law schools will agree upon the interpretation of Islam?
Why has religion been made such an art an science, which can not be comprehended by layman without the assitance of “professional” intermediaries? Isn’t fasting, praying, paying zakat and generally being a good human being enough for layman?
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If we can explain one of those phenomena we can explain them all.
In Taliban case we were just stunned. As we did not know what to think how to think. How slowlely they developled to afghan freedom fighters to pakistani mercenaries. Masses don’t have fine such fine tuning to such matters.
Taliban have killed far more pakistani then india did in war, but you can imagine if india attacks we would know what to think.
ISIS is no different, its low intensity war done by Muslims.
As oppose to israel attacks.
Don’t complain muslim masses being so lost on the matter, even the best of the political commentator can not have consensus what ISIS is. Other then IS shaming islam.. there is very little clearly known about them.
Don’t blame muslim masses not being on same as some brilliant analyst.
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Tell me something. Hitler was German and he murdered countless Jews. I have read that he didn’t belong to any religion..at least not one that worships God. But perhaps he presented himself as a Christian. But if people say that the holocaust has nothing to do with being German or Christian…folks believe it. Slavery was a part of US history for MORE than 200 years…and some Southern Christians even trued to justify not only slavery but the abominable treatment of the slaves using religion…but if it is said that slavery has nothing to do with Christianity or the south or being white…laug maan jaayen ge. So why is it soooooooo hard to believe Muslims…the good, hard-working, decent, peaceful Muslims …when they say that Isis has nothing to do with Islam? Maybe you should put forth these examples to the stubborn folks you’re dealing with…and let’s see what they say. Shayad bolti band ho jaaye.
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^ problem is people who knowingly insist that its a islam issue.
Like they are going to ever listen what ever we say.
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Media is not consistent with its definition of terrorism. If it’s carried out by a non-Muslim…the t-word isn’t used…as was the case in the article below:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/general/652731-american-and-canadian-attempt-to-commit-mass-murder.html
If the media is going to discriminate in this manner and thus breed hatred in its viewers toward Muslims…then the media itself is guilty of perpetuating the t-word in its own way.
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As Fox News Apologizes, Jeremy Scahill on Fake “Terror Experts” & Challenges of Real War Reporting | Democracy Now!
Glenn Greenwald on How to Be a Terror “Expert”: Ignore Facts, Blame Muslims, Trumpet U.S. Propaganda | Democracy Now!
enjoy.
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@hareem01](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/hareem01.html) check this out.
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Thanks and what people like JS spew is not just problematic but disturbing because the anti Islam maniacs are recruiting other maniacs and psychopaths like themselves who call them Muslims and telling remaining normal Muslim and non Muslim population of the world that is the Islam everyone must follow. The normal Muslim and non Muslim population would naturally reject these mentally unstable recruiters and their Muslim recruits. They’re clearly on some agenda by using those Muslim psychopaths… One thing on that agenda is maligning the name of Muslim faith as some terrorizing system of governance, turn normal people anti Islam and the Muslims apologetics of those Muslim recruits. Media is their tool in making this terrorizing group 0.01% (psychopaths) of the Muslim world appear like some super powerful force which represents Islam. But Offcourse despite the evil intent of these anti Islam groups, the normal people with common sense will see beneath the surface of this fitna created by mentally deranged recruiters of ISIS and their equally mentally deranged Muslim recruits. These are the people of fitna whose support is from the satanists but they can’t brainwash the righteous ones.
I avoid arguing with them because I know their handlers are satanitsts. Any normal human with commonsense can see that. Simply ignoring them will not empower their antiIslamic satanist handlers who are forcing us to believe theirs is the ‘true’ version of Islam. Anyone who knows basics of Islam also naturally knows the facts behind this gruesome drama. Don’t we all know devil worshippers ‘sacrifice’ human blood to make the devil happy? That’s what they and their handlers are doing. Sacrificing human blood for devil - the God which they follow.
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You misunderstand me … So I’ll say it clearer …
on one hand you insist that we do not say ISIS is not part of Islam therefore you want us to say that ISIS represents Islam.
On the other hand you want us to denounce ISIS
drum roll … Therefore you want us to denounce Islam …
Because if ISIS = Islam and U desire ISIS to be denounced by us then it means ISIS and Islam are exchangeable in this formula … Now in order to denounce ISIS effectively while holding on to Islam we need to say that …
ISIS <> Islam … I.e. That ISIS are nothing to do with Islam …
From this type of talk it is clear that you (Bill Maher an co) want us to abandon Islam …
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This non muslim does not share this perspective.
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It is all about being consistent. While I (like all reasonable people regardless of faith) agree with OP that those who equate ISIS with Islam are being dishonest, it would be relevant to mention OP’s selective dense of justice and fairplay.
Just couple of weeks ago, OP opined that the blogger in Saudi Arabia deserved the sentence of 1000 lashes and 10 yrs in jail. For that is the rule of the land.
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Yep…I personally wouldn’t agree with the punishment but that’s their law…although it is not necessarily Islamic law. Besides, the mayhem and chaos of revolution I’ve seen in Middle East is enough for me to denounce anymore acts of rebellion. I think you heavily misunderstood me.
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We the Muslims have to accept our monsters they are our kids, the ISIS, TALIBAN, AL-QAEDA, book-haram etc … If we are just going to condemn them and move on, well it’s not going to work.
An eye opening short video:
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The problem isn’t that these groups exist, it’s the fact they have people (Muslims) who’re either following them or showing ambivalence. The situation is that people are not sure what’s right and what’s wrong and you have the magic word ‘shariah’ that leads people off the cliff without them even realizing they are being fooled by people who’re using religion for their own gains. It’s the same old story and I’m frankly tired of it. And we’ve seen Muslim condemnation (re: the Gaza attacks) and I would be fooling no one by saying the response as been the same.
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Interesting replies..thanks to everyone who took out the time to respond. :k:
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Do you want us to admit that Islam is not perfect, because if it was it would not be giving birth to so many extremists, fanatics and terrorists?
Dude, they have nothing to with Islam.