If ISIS has anything to do with Islam, and if groups like Al Qaeda / Taliban etc have anything to do with true Islam, then why aren’t the remaining millions and millions of Muslims blowing themselves up, or committing atrocities like the Peshawar school massacre or institutionalizing slavery and rape like ISIS in the name of Islam? Why aren’t the girls in the Life1 forum busy trying to figure out how to recruit a second wife into their family or a slave girl, instead of complaining about their mother-in-law’s (like normal women do)?
And don’t say it’s because the rest of us aren’t practicing Islam, because that’s rude and insulting and shows that you just don’t like muslims or Islam to begin with.
And I can’t explain Baghdadi’s phd’s. Does he even exist? This is the first time I’m hearing about a phd. The original story was that he was a self-taught “scholar” who grew up in a humble neighborhood in Iraq before the US bombed the country to oblivion, allowing anarchists to take over.
ISIS has been able to take over because of a power vacuum, not because it’s “Islamic light shined through the muslim world”. No one cares for them, but no one can fight them off so they take over. Even our own terrorism and war analysts acknowledge this and it’s flat out common sense.
You know…normally when you invade a country…you stay and occupy and re-settle it. You don’t leave. I’m not sure of any one incident in World History where one force invaded, caused destruction, and just left and that anything good came of it. Normal forces will invade for the purpose of a take-over, not to watch bombs fall to feel good about themselves, cheer, and go back home.
I accept that countries like Saudi and Pakistan’s secret services played a role. Because that’s based on fact. It’s now common knowledge and those files are declassified at least on the American side.
I do not accept that Islam is responsible for them. 1400 years of Islam and everything was relatively ok, and then this happens and you want to blame a religion. So what happened in the last 1400 years? Why was there no force like Taliban or ISIS then? Moreover, why wasn’t Prophet Muhammad (SAW) engaging in the activities these goons partake in? Why weren’t the original 4 caliphs anything like Baghdadi? or Mullah Omar? etc? Why were most of the major muslim dynasties drastically different than these terrorist groups?
And why, unlike the Islamic empire, are the terrorist groups unable to unite and form one caliph system? You know why? Because these charlatans were predicted in Islam and it was promised that one of their marks would be that they would just end up fighting each other and stay disunited.
I echo the media houses like NPR who clearly state “self-proclaimed ISIS” whenever they have to mention this terrorist group.
Now remember, if tomorrow a group of thugs and murderers stand up and start doing stuff adopting any religious name doesnt mean they are that religion. Not at all. And thats what we’ve to tell others too.
And thats exactly why we gotto be nice, humble and patient with our friends, neighbors , colleagues etc. Be a role model. Show them the picture given by ISIS is so wrong and a bluff to everyone. If needed you can always tell them how good our Prophet was who went to visit a jewish woman who used to throw garbage on him so he started wondering why one day she didnt do that and found her sick.
As far as how this self-proclaimed group should be dealt with, i think we should have zero tolerance against them or any wrong-doers but thats upto our govts on how to take action. What we can do is to write to govt and let them know to take action before the murderers do any further damage. Thats all.
Hareem… why do you feel obliged to prove that to someone…
Those who ask it wouldnt understand… and wont believe that Islam isnt equal to ISIS…
and those who understand were of gullible mind.. so they got washed away… So aise pagalon ko kya smjhana…
and.. Those who understand..I think its time for a treat for them… Bcz its Ramzan and one man on this forum said somewhere that Islamis should give one time Iftari buffet to Non- Islamis…
Waise…
Islam = to ISIS is an overstatement…
But…Islam has nothing to do with ISIS is an understated line…
First one u can prove… Second one is not true so it can’t be proved…
Man …I have lost my Iftari buffet… Well…Ifra can host me one…
Are you saying there are certain problematic aspects of Islam which muslims need to stop being apologetic for, and accept as problematic? Otherwise there will always be extremist groups like ISIS who will use such aspects to commit atrocities? And only by acknowledging that terrorists are inspired by parts of Islamic theology and by remedying those parts can we defeat them.
Are you saying such verses are problematic in any context?
But the verse is very clear, the punishment for transgressors is to be exiled from the land, so how can it be problematic?
Also even if Sahaabah took captive of wars as slaves and had sex with them after having disposed of the husbands and brothers of those women, I’m pretty sure those women would consent to having sex with the Sahaabah, because they were given status of wives, and sometimes those women were sold between Sahaabah, but they were still wives.
How on earth can ISIS draw inspiration from such events?
I knew it..
thats what leads to extremist groups like ISIS…
when..someone asks for Iftari buffet.. u dont say ki chalo mein de dunga…
huh???.. I have been waiting with my chair and all…
and… u replied to thaaaaaaaat…
