ISI Chief Zaher-ul-Islam wanted to take control of country by planning IK's Dharna

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This is the thing with Fauji haters. Their sheer ignorance about military is astonishing but they still chat so much crap with confidence. Now let's decipher this rubbish claim that ISI was planning to overthrow the government and COAS had no idea.

For dummies - ISI and Pakistan military are same thing. You have to live under a rock to even assume that DG ISI can be up to something so major and COAS won't have any idea about it. You really think ISI will betray Military like this? If Gen Zaheer was planning this dharna, then that means Gen Raheel was also involved as Gen Zaheer worked under his command towards the end of his career. This is how military command and discipline works - the top boss is always aware of the plans, and he approved strategies.

If Gen Zaheer planned this dharna while he was the head of ISI, then that means it was by default ISI's official strategy which was to be followed by Gen Rizwan who was DG ISI when dharna was taking place.

If Gen Zaheer did not tell Gen Raheel about this huge conspiracy to overthrow the government while Zarb e Azb is going on and a plot to get him involved in politics, then that itself is a treason against the institution, and Gen Zaheer can be court martial.

So really all these conspiracy theories typical fauji haters are coming up with has no legs to stand on. This whole smokescreen that we are not gonna bark against Gen Raheel but we are going to malign his staff is total nonsense. Military men, retired or serving, do not go against the wishes of their COAS or do anything behind his back. ISI and Pakistan Military are same - in any case, DG ISI is the right hand man of COAS - the brain behind all his policies.

Wait till Gen Raheel and Gen Rizwan retires, and see how all these hypocrites bash them and come up with conspiracy theories to malign them. Cowards.

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PTI has put the onus completely on the government to prove the accusations or sack the said minister.

PM Nawaz must end good cop, bad cop routine: Asad Umar - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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For the past one year we have been hearing how Pasha was the mastermind of the dharna, realizing that he had been out of service for quite some time when this happened we have got a new theory. I personally dont know how ISI chief could have hatched a conspiracy to oust the COAS, maybe PMLN ministers can shed some more light on the matter,

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sharmanda sharmanda lag rahay hain mian sahib!

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Mushahidullah’s bombshell upsets PML-N’s apple cart - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Shortly after the report came out, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, who is known to say the “wrong thing at the wrong time” where the army is concerned, caused a small storm when he named General Zaheerul Islam and others of having been behind the sit-ins. This was the first time a government official had identified an army official instead of simply pointing the finger at unknown generals.

Later, the prime minister’s brother and chief minister Punjab also called for an inquiry into the factors behind the sit-in.

This set more alarm bells ringing.

Observers and commentators pointed out that the PML-N government was deliberately gunning for the retired army officials including General Zaheerul Islam. The combined statements of the defence minister and the chief minister were seen as a party policy that enjoyed the prime minister’s approval.

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PTI has acted naively during the past 2 years, the best policy is leave PMLN alone they are pretty capable of shooting themselves in their foot. Due to irresponsible statements of a few ministers the government has come into defensive mode...I think this calls for an APC to save democracy.

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Unfortunately the lust of power to rule the county by these generals is nothing new. Since partition they have been ruling or ruining the country one way or another. I considered Imran Khan as one of the honest politician. After reading this news he is third class morally corrupt stupid politician without realizing that the same generals who wanted to gift him seat of power, could kick his arse so severely he would have either hanged or landed in his former wife's country. And yes, had the real 'rulers' who control these generals wanted this change, N$ would have been history.

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The first casualty.

Senator Mushahid tenders resignation following ISI plot claims - The Express Tribune

i personally think Pti has achieved what they couldn’t (last year). Let’s see how the civil military relations proceed from here onwards. Don’t know if pmlns overconfidence has a role to play or arrogance. Anyways they have boxed themselves in a corner.

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Welcome back from your chilla ! :D

All this above really proves is that it is high time that ISI is decoupled from the army. Sure, you can appoint military people has head of ISI (or whatever new name the organization gets) like Israel does for Mossad, but the agency still isn't a ***** for the army served by the butler of the israeli 3 or 4 star general. Army already has MI, so they don't need two intelligence agencies.

As for the typical burgers who have gotten fat on army pork who'll complain about bloody civilians not being "trustable", please let me know what was ISI doing when thousands of pakistanis died at the hands of taliban over the last decade before the peshawar attack. Wasn't ISI derelict in its duties of defending Pakistan (and by extension, Pakistanis) from harm?

To Imran's credit, even he hasn't said that ISI shouldn't do intelligence operations against TTP etc. It is time that 'bloody civilians' who don't live in DHAs also get protected by the agencies that they fund and who swear to protect Pakistan. I'll support Imran khan with if he asks for the decoupling of ISI-army nexus and heck, even nawaz sharif if he says so...

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And one ISI man just passed away
General Hameed Gul
Some ISI loving can open a thread
But this year is not good for terrorists and their supporters

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ISI separate from army but reporting to whom ??? stupid civilians??

Our foreign policy is being run by the wise army men for long and it failed miserably but none of the gnerals getting responsible for that . all bloody civilian's fault !!

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Feeding on army's Pork? Have some bloody shame! Sicko.

I'm not going to reply to any of your classist usual DHA living crap - whether I'm talking in support a a bloody civilian called Imran Khan or Army, you just have to shoot this lame dig to discredit any argument. Same old envious sheet.

Look around Karachi and see how the agencies and army are protecting the bloody civilians there - finally peace can be felt in the City. As with ISI not being able to protect citizens - maybe blame your favourite Military boy Mushy or oh so apolitical Kiyani for not providing the leadership. After all it is an organisation under a command.

Yes bloody civilians at power are not trustable as long as 98% of those bloody civilians are made up of criminals who abuse democracy to come in power . At least military men are loyal to their institution and superior command, who are these bloody civilians loyal too? Look how the bloody civilians i.e judges have screwed their own judiciary.

As with this whole ridiculous assertion of break ISI Military nexus- how and why? Britain has MI5, MI6 plus Defence Intelligence (DI) plus CGHQ, plus Joint Intelligence Services (JIC) - all interlinked with their military intelligence and command in one way or another. Heck even Israel also has central overreaching military intelligence Aman as well as Mossad so I really I don't understand your grievance about Pak Army having ISI and MI! It's like that in almost all Western countries.

So yes it's only the Pakistani bloody civilians who cry about their own central agency and dream about diluting it because of their political pains. To break Military ISI is impossible and thankfully, it will never happen. You probably have no idea what ISI is all about and things it does. ISI is largely geopolitical research and policy making wing of Army: it aims to coordinate military intelligence from all three branches of forces. Clearly ISI also works as the principal defence and national assessment intelligence, perhaps better suggestion is to merge MI with ISI or dissolve IB!

I guess ISI should come under crooks and disloyal loons like NS and Zardari so they turn ISI into another good for nothing IB? Instead of crying about non-existent taxpayers money going into ISI, the better question whose money Ganjoo's pouring in IB, and for what purposes.

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Are you bloody kidding me? People literally piss on Zia's grave for his policies, Musharaff is still not forgiven for getting Pakistan involved in WoT, and bloody civilians like you are always whining how Generals are not responsible? Where do you pull this stuff from? I'm sick of these lies and propaganda. The day likes of Bush and Blair also go to jail for screwing their country's foreign policy, fauji haters like you can dream about Pakistan Army's generals being put on trial for their short sighted policies. Who needs thankless Afghans, Bengalis and Indians, when we have Army bashers like you. But people like you are in minority, for most part Pakistanis love and support Pakistan Army! If anything, they have far too many hopes and expectations from the institution.

But still prove it that you are more than just a bitter and thankless bloody civilian and let's see if you give Army credit for putting things right from Karachi to Khyber when you have proud bloody civilians at helm boasting about democracy, supremacy of parliament popular support and majority vote yet doing jack squat for the country.

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Very wise , So when you pass an airport , You are mostly given a Guard of honor there . This is an impact of their wisdom .

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And more
Escape goat
Mushahidullah has sent resignation to PM: Pervaiz Rashid[TABLE=“class: media media–left media–stretch one-third palm–one-whole, width: 131”]

http://i.dawn.com/thumbnail/2015/08/55cf5df169f9b.jpg?r=417748702

Mushahidullah Khan has been summoned back from his official trip to the Maldives

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qurbani ka bukra mushahidullah. PML-N trying to reduce impact of the blast

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Or
Zardari passed his 5 years in tricks to keep him save from Kayani & Pasha
&
N$ will also pass his tenure in boot polish

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Christ some utterly clueless posts.

All this nonsense about the ISI being behind the dharna's - truly ridiculous. The ISI (so the army) need absolutely no reason or no person to bring down this government.
Secondly, if they were behind the dharna, it would have ended in Nawaz government being toppled, the judicial commission actually doing it's job and the supreme court waking up.

All this ridiculous talk is a ploy by PML N to piss off the army enough for them to enforce martial law. Why would they want that, you ask? So that once again they can become political martyrs once again, repeating all that which we've seen before i.e. once again coming forward to rule after 5-10 years, stating their government never got a chance to rule because they were kicked out. This is preferrable to them instead of what the army is actually doing i.e. kicking NAB into action, and when the time comes, kicking the supreme court into action.

Gen Raheel is a proud military man from a distinguished military family. That is why there has been no martial law (despite the fact in the past it certainly would have been enforced under the same circumstances), Gen Raheel wants to try and follow the rules as much as possible. It's why he gave the pathetic sindh government chance after chance. However one thing is for certain, him and the current army regime have decided enough is enough. When the time comes, they will slap the supreme court into actually doing the jobs they took an oath to do, just like they've started to do with NAB.

Incompetent, traitorous PML N, PPP and MQM - all the vermin within these parties will be dealt with.

All this is being done by PML N to defame the army and how popular they currently are with the public. Most of the country can now see the government is a complete fraud - just look at the independence day celebrations. Credit being given to general raheel, corp commanders in action everywhere and people being TRULY HAPPY and PROUD because of the rapidly improving security situation in the country. By continually spouting this bull****, they're hoping to cause a bit of chaos within the army ranks, and to try and influence the public into believing the army is undermining them (when in actual fact the public have finally, FINALLY, started to realise the current traitors governing them are utterly incapable and insincere). If there was any such tape, the army would become aware of it before anyone else - they wouldn't need a dumb scoundrel like Mushahidullah to reveal this. And the issue would be dealt with one way or another.

All these time wasting and diversion tactics will fail. One thing people keep on ignoring is that this present army chief is unlike someone we've ever had. Makes you think people have their head in the sand.

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Not sure if you're being serious.

Hilarious.

Do you know the list of enemies Pakistan has? Including a very strong one right next door with x6 the resources, AT LEAST. The very fact that Pakistan still exists as a country today is a testament to the army and to the ISI. Look at what happened to countries like Iraq, Libya and Syria overnight, LITERALLY OVERNIGHT.

Good god man.