Re: Isa (AS), Quran and his second coming:
Why is it expected ? Why so much expectations from him ? Why would you even feel the need to do bait on his hand when you know you have perfect religion, perfect book, perfect prophet and perfect shariyah?
Isa(as) is not Arab. He is 33 years of age (or so) at the moment he was taken to heavens alive... and guess what? hes still 33, even after 2012 years ago. Upon his second coming, you expect him to start learning Arabic language or help Muslim ummah resolve their issue? All of this is an assumption. He is expected.. he will learn from Allah ( i never said Allah cant do that ).. he will tell u the correct interpretation of Quran. ( yeah, he will , but im scared He'll have to live with kufr fatwas with whichever Muslim dont believe him. ).. He will be inviting people back to Islam, who already claim that they are in Islam. The moment he interpret anything of Qur'an .. Mullahs will not let him live peacefully. Also, majority of Muslims will be against him.. and therefore, as you're taught.. always remain with majority!
You asked me: why I expect? Well, I expect because I am Muslim who expect that what Allah wants to happen it happen. In my post, I did not show expectation on Isa (AS) but on Allah, that it would be Allah who would get everything done through Isa (AS), and for that Allah would send Isa (AS) well prepared whatever would be required from him (including knowledge of languages, Islam, Shariyat, etc), and that is no hard for Allah?
Your worry that Mullahs and majority of Muslims would oppose him and he would have to live with ‘kafir’ fatwa, is because of your mistrust on Allah. No doubt, it is possible that Mullahs and large section of Muslims may initially oppose him, but one should not fear as what Allah wills happens, and obviously when Allah would send Isa (AS), he would be there to lead successfully. So, learn to trust Allah.
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Perhaps you dont have a firm grasp of your beliefs. It was pretty easy for you to say ' that wont be hard, as that would be according to the wish of Allah '. Jews did not believe in Him when He was among them. Jews did not believe in him when he went to heavens. Jews think they have killed him. You think it wont be hard ? ... Christians think of him as son of God.. Christians think of him as a diety.. Christians think of him as their savior. Upon second coming, you really think Christians will give up their beliefs just like that? Really?
Again, you dont know what your beliefs are. When Jesus(as) will come , he will kill everyone who will not believe in him. He will be going around the world breaking every single cross on the face of this earth, and killing every swines on Earth. Very foolish for anyone to think that all will be done without any violence whatsoever. He is said to be killing every non believers. He is also said to have armour on his body upon his descend.. ( dont know where He got that from ). All in all, he is said to be doing things against the peace of the society.. claiming it all to be done in the name of Islam ( he must do all this to attract Muslims in majority.. since : Mullah version of Islam > the islam Jesus(as) will show you.
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I have enough grasp of my beliefs, so do not worry. I wrote that it won’t be hard for Isa (AS) as that would be according to wish of Allah and you started doubting by comparing what happened to Isa (AS) when Christians misunderstood him and Jews rejected him. For me, Isa (AS) message did not go through first time because that is what Allah intended to happen, as Allah wanted Isa (AS) to be test for mankind before Qiyamah after his re-appearance.
His breaking of cross and killing swine has its own meaning, and that is, Isa (AS) would lead Muslims who would eliminate the belief that Isa (AS) was crucified (that would be breaking the cross) and would stop consumption of pork (that would be killing of swine). Questioning how Allah would get that done in this unfriendly environment where Muslims are weak is unbelief on Allah.
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Shariyat belongs to prophets. Muswi shariyat belonged to Musa(as). Isa(as) was given the knowledge of Muswi shariyat. Jesus(as) is not given the knowledge of Islam. He was long born and died when the holiest prophet pbuh was not even born. He does not know anything about Islam. Islam came after Christianity. Though, all preached tawheed.. but Islam is a universal religion.. and Muhammad PBUH is the prophet for all nations. Prophets before Muhammad PBUH were limited to their areas and their tribes. Allah does not permit a prior prophet to be a prophet of a shariya that came after Him. I'm not going to give you evidence as most people here ignore it. But know, that I'm saying things based on Quran.
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It is your belief that shareat belongs to Prophets and Islam is religion of Prophet (SAW). To me, that is wrong belief. I believe that nothing belongs to prophets but Allah sends shareat and books with prophets, and Islam is religion of Allah. It seems you believe that Isa (AS) would need to learn Islam and sharieat sent by Allah with Prophet (SAW), but I do not believe that as I believe Isa (AS) already know everything about Islam and Shareat sent by Allah with Prophet (SAW).
You claimed that your beliefs are from Quran, and that you have evidence from Quran, than do not be shy, please put it down so that I can see where you are getting your beliefs. Be assured that no one would ignore your references from Quran.
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I would again say that you lack knowledge in your beliefs. Isa(as) was a prophet, is a prophet and will remain a prophet. Allah does not take away the blessing of prophethood whomsoever He gives. Its an ill ideology to be defending 2 beliefs (finality of prophet).. by twisting everything else. There are many fatawas of your own scholars that i can show you which reads " if you consider Isa(as) to not be a prophet in his second coming, you are indeed a kaafir ".
Kindly review what your beliefs are and present them in a manner that you know how you would reply to questions about ur beliefs, if asked.
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You have right to question my belief, but do not teach me saying that ‘fatwa is this or that’. Fatwa means opinion, and there are as many opinions as opinion makers. If you want to prove me wrong then bring evidences from Quran, or evidences that would be logical enough for me to accept. I would also like to know where I am wrong, so that I correct myself if I am wrong.
I wrote that Isa (AS) would not come as Prophet, but would be ‘inviter’ of people towards Islam. You questioned that, justified your questioning my belief by saying that a prophet is prophet always, so how can I say that Isa (AS) would not come as Prophet (AS).
You accused me of twisting facts regarding Isa (AS) when I claimed that Isa (AS) would not be prophet when he would re-appear. From your accusation, I understand that you wanted to tell me that to adjust my belief of Khatamun-nabiyeen, I am twisting facts by claiming that Prophet (SAW) was last prophet and when Isa (AS) would come, he would not be there as prophet.
In my opinion, you misunderstood me badly. Actually, it is not entirely your fault, as I feel many Muslims are confused as they misunderstand this statement and belief. I think it is important to clarify this aspect in simple words so that misunderstanding is removed.
Let talk about belief and understand what I wrote, as what I wrote, that ‘Isa (AS) would not come as Prophet but as inviter towards Islam’, is correct:
First of all, I did not denied anywhere in my post that Isa(AS) was Prophet of Allah, is prophet of Allah, and would stay prophet of Allah always. I could not have denied that, as my belief (just like belief of any Muslim) is that, prophets were designated Prophets even before humans were born on earth, so the designation of Prophets once made by Allah do not change due to events on earth. Anyhow, I believe you questioned me without knowing my beliefs, because you misunderstood what I wrote, rather you misunderstand Prophet-hood.
Actual fact is that, I do not need to twist facts to justify that Prophet (SAW) was Khatamun-Nabiyeen (last of prophets ... or seal on prophet-hood), as that is true regardless of Isa (AS) would come as Prophet or not. Because Prophet (SAW) is going to be Khatamun-Nabiyeen as long as no person would claim prophet-hood after Prophet (SAW) claimed prophet-hood*,* other than liars. You can also say that no person would be born after Prophet (SAW) making claim of prophet-hood, other than liars.
For person born before Prophet (SAW) and was also prophet before Prophet (SAW), ‘Khatamun-Nabiyeen’ does not apply. Isa (AS) never died, so he would not be born, rather, he would appear. Isa (AS) claim of Prophet-hood was before birth of Prophet (SAW) as well as before Prophet (SAW) declaration of prophet-hood. That means, even if Isa (AS) would be prophet in his second coming, Prophet (SAW) would be Khatamun-Nabiyeen.
Now, you may ask that if my belief of Prophet (SAW) being Khatamun-Nabiyeen is not violated even if I believe that Isa (AS) would come as Prophet, then why I wrote that Isa (AS) would not come as Prophet rather he would come as an ‘inviter’ towards Islam. There are many reasons (not reason but reasons) for that. So, here are the reasons:
First reason: A person is prophet when that person is doing his duty for Allah as prophet, but he is not prophet when that person is not doing his duty for Allah as prophet. Since Isa (AS) would not be doing his duty as prophet in his second coming, he would not be prophet.
Example: If you will read Quran you will find that even though all Prophets are born Prophets, they had two stages in life. One before they declare themselves Prophet and other after they declare themselves Prophet. Further, Prophets are considered Prophets after they declare themselves Prophet and not before their declaration. Prophets also start doing their duty as prophet after their declaration. That means declaration is part of Prophet-hood.
Musa (AS) declared prophet-hood in his middle age and then started doing duty as Prophet. Isa (AS) declared his prophet-hood few years before his disappearance (even though he told people at birth that he was Prophet). Prophet (SAW) declared his prophet-hood at 40.
So, it is obvious that a prophet should declare himself Prophet to people and then start doing his duty as prophet. For that, he should be sent to people as Prophet. Isa (AS) in his second coming would not be sent to people as Prophet, nor he would declare himself a prophet on duty, hence he would not be there as prophet.
Second reason: Quran says that Allah sent prophets in every community and their messages are time dependent. These Prophets are considered Prophets for their community, and not for communities outside their realm.
There is a story in bible, that when a non-Jewish woman came to Isa (AS) asking for blessing, Isa (AS) told her that he could not bless her as he came for lost sheep of Bani-Israel [children of Yaqub (AS)]. This shows that Isa (AS) was only sent for Bani-Israel and that also ~2000 years ago. In his second coming he would not come as prophet nor would be coming for Bani-Israel.
That means, prophets declare themselves prophet to people they are sent by Allah, and they are prophets only to the communities they are sent. Thus, when Muslim claims that they believe on all Prophets of Allah as Prophets, that believe is ‘article of confirmation (Iman)’ that they were prophets. That does not mean that they are sent as Prophets for Muslims. If they were sent as prophets for Muslims, then books Allah sent with them would be obligatory for Muslims too. But Muslim is only required to acknowledge books sent on them as book of Allah (part of Iman), and that is all.
Thus, even when prophets are prophets always, for a person to be considered a prophet, that person has to make declaration of his prophet-hood to people. Further, a Prophet could be Prophet for particular community he is sent as prophet by Allah, and not for any community. Only exception to this rule is Prophet (SAW), who was sent to whole mankind or all communities.
Isa (AS) was prophet of Allah sent to Jews, and he was prophet of Jews during time he was with them, around 2000 years ago. So, without taking his status of being ‘Prophet of Allah’ away, it is certain that when he would come second time, he would not declare himself prophet for Muslims, and thus he would not be there as prophet.
Example: Let say that in a School there is Maths class where other than Maths teacher, many students also help. One day, Science teacher also joined Maths class, not as teacher but as student and helper. In such situation, students have to consider Science teacher as student and helper, and not a teacher, even though students would know that the person is teacher, who teaches Science in School.
In same way, we have a class where Prophet (SAW) is Prophet. A time would come when Isa (AS) would also join the class, not as Prophet but follower and helper. When this would happen, Muslims would consider Isa (AS) a follower and helper, but not as Prophet, even though they would know that Isa (AS) is Prophet of Allah, who was sent by Allah over 2000 years ago as Prophet to Bani-Israel.