Isa (AS), Quran and his second coming:

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Isa (AS), Quran and his second coming:

@Sa1eem

You asked me: why I expect? Well, I expect because I am Muslim who expect that what Allah wants to happen it happen. In my post, I did not show expectation on Isa (AS) but on Allah, that it would be Allah who would get everything done through Isa (AS), and for that Allah would send Isa (AS) well prepared whatever would be required from him (including knowledge of languages, Islam, Shariyat, etc), and that is no hard for Allah?

Your worry that Mullahs and majority of Muslims would oppose him and he would have to live with ‘kafir’ fatwa, is because of your mistrust on Allah. No doubt, it is possible that Mullahs and large section of Muslims may initially oppose him, but one should not fear as what Allah wills happens, and obviously when Allah would send Isa (AS), he would be there to lead successfully. So, learn to trust Allah.

I have enough grasp of my beliefs, so do not worry. I wrote that it won’t be hard for Isa (AS) as that would be according to wish of Allah and you started doubting by comparing what happened to Isa (AS) when Christians misunderstood him and Jews rejected him. For me, Isa (AS) message did not go through first time because that is what Allah intended to happen, as Allah wanted Isa (AS) to be test for mankind before Qiyamah after his re-appearance.

Quran is the final word of Allah for a reason. All the previous important eras have been written in Quran and said by Allah as a warning for us to not repeat their footstep who went astray. Just saying Allah can do what he wills is not evidence enough of what you believe in. No one denies Allah’s powers , but simply leaving it all to Allah to do everything is a very weak argument that you can bring forward. Allah has certain sunnah of His that he himself does not break. He is pure from all imperfections. When Allah says He will not do a certain thing, then no matter if hes a messenger of allah or not, He simply will not do it.. Allah says.. ‘you will not see any alteration in his ways’

You’re pretty much following what I’m following. Except you assume fatwa of kufr **will **be charged and we’re living with the fatwa of kufr. But should the followers of Messiah worry about what majority of Muslims believe in ? nope.

It is a very dangerous charge not on Isa(as) but allah almighty to say that His mission was incomplete. No prophet was sent to humankind without any mission. Allah give them enough life for their mission to complete. You cannot show from anywhere if nauzubillah his mission went incomplete. His birth was a test to humankind, and his prophethood was a test to people. Prophethood is always a test for people..only pious people from heart accept prophets.

His breaking of cross and killing swine has its own meaning, and that is, Isa (AS) would lead Muslims who would eliminate the belief that Isa (AS) was crucified (that would be breaking the cross) and would stop consumption of pork (that would be killing of swine). Questioning how Allah would get that done in this unfriendly environment where Muslims are weak is unbelief on Allah.

It is your belief that shareat belongs to Prophets and Islam is religion of Prophet (SAW). To me, that is wrong belief. I believe that nothing belongs to prophets but Allah sends shareat and books with prophets, and Islam is religion of Allah. It seems you believe that Isa (AS) would need to learn Islam and sharieat sent by Allah with Prophet (SAW), but I do not believe that as I believe Isa (AS) already know everything about Islam and Shareat sent by Allah with Prophet (SAW).

You claimed that your beliefs are from Quran, and that you have evidence from Quran, than do not be shy, please put it down so that I can see where you are getting your beliefs. Be assured that no one would ignore your references from Quran.

It is the prophets that bring shariat. Yes i believe Jesus(as) would need to learn Islam , Quran and the shariat. He was before Islam. Islam was after him. He is not given the knowledge of Islam. He will need to learn it. If he learns from Allah, then your belief that there is no form of revelation after Muhammad PBUH is contradictory.

You have right to question my belief, but do not teach me saying that ‘fatwa is this or that’. Fatwa means opinion, and there are as many opinions as opinion makers. If you want to prove me wrong then bring evidences from Quran, or evidences that would be logical enough for me to accept. I would also like to know where I am wrong, so that I correct myself if I am wrong.

I wrote that Isa (AS) would not come as Prophet, but would be ‘inviter’ of people towards Islam. You questioned that, justified your questioning my belief by saying that a prophet is prophet always, so how can I say that Isa (AS) would not come as Prophet (AS).

You accused me of twisting facts regarding Isa (AS) when I claimed that Isa (AS) would not be prophet when he would re-appear. From your accusation, I understand that you wanted to tell me that to adjust my belief of Khatamun-nabiyeen, I am twisting facts by claiming that Prophet (SAW) was last prophet and when Isa (AS) would come, he would not be there as prophet.

In my opinion, you misunderstood me badly. Actually, it is not entirely your fault, as I feel many Muslims are confused as they misunderstand this statement and belief. I think it is important to clarify this aspect in simple words so that misunderstanding is removed.

Isa (as) was, is and will always remain a prophet wheresoever he may be. There are fatawas of your scholars saying that whoever says Jesus upon his second coming is not a prophet is indeed a kafir. Yes, to adjust ur belief of khatm e nabuwat, you have to also fit ur belief of Jesus (as) alive.. so thats twisting facts right there.

So, it is obvious that a prophet should declare himself Prophet to people and then start doing his duty as prophet. For that, he should be sent to people as Prophet. Isa (AS) in his second coming would not be sent to people as Prophet, nor he would declare himself a prophet on duty, hence he would not be there as prophet.

Second reason: Quran says that Allah sent prophets in every community and their messages are time dependent. These Prophets are considered Prophets for their community, and not for communities outside their realm.

Prophet Isa(as) is sent to bani israel. Thats how Allah address him in Quran. To believe that Isa(as) would do things not even Muhammad PBUH could do is just a good imagination. Jesus(as) cannot be a prophet or even an ordinary human in Muhammadi shariyah.

There is a story in bible, that when a non-Jewish woman came to Isa (AS) asking for blessing, Isa (AS) told her that he could not bless her as he came for lost sheep of Bani-Israel [children of Yaqub (AS)]. This shows that Isa (AS) was only sent for Bani-Israel and that also ~2000 years ago. In his second coming he would not come as prophet nor would be coming for Bani-Israel.

Isa(as) is and will remain a prophet sent to bani israel. Quran is unchangeable till qayamah. Upon his second coming, the verses that call him prophet sent to bani israel wont be taken out ..nauzubillah.

Example: Let say that in a School there is Maths class where other than Maths teacher, many students also help. One day, Science teacher also joined Maths class, not as teacher but as student and helper. In such situation, students have to consider Science teacher as student and helper, and not a teacher, even though students would know that the person is teacher, who teaches Science in School.

In same way, we have a class where Prophet (SAW) is Prophet. A time would come when Isa (AS) would also join the class, not as Prophet but follower and helper. When this would happen, Muslims would consider Isa (AS) a follower and helper, but not as Prophet, even though they would know that Isa (AS) is Prophet of Allah, who was sent by Allah over 2000 years ago as Prophet to Bani-Israel.

wrong example. Just because a science teacher sat in a math class would not make him give up his teaching degree. He is good in science and the other person is good in maths.. students can ask him any question in regards to science.. he can learn maths too.. no problem.. but he’ll still be a teacher of different subject.. same with Jesus.. He is a teacher for Bible, not Quran.