Your Questions answered as they are asked.
Q1: I am afraid you are once again showing dishonesty. I know you may not like it but truth have to be told. I prove it to you. A- I gave you examples from Mirza and Zafrullah, when this conversation took place. B- I gave you the evidence from preceding Verse which clearly shows when this conversation took place. Not only this but I quoted the tafsir of Asad which says, it described the Essence. I even said according to some scholars Jesus As was an essence too. Allah knows the best.
please direct me to ur post # where you explained about the conversation. I am not interested in what Hazrat mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) said or Zafarullah khan said at the moment. I want you to tell me the Islamic belief regarding the conversation. If u have explained earlier, plz direct me to ur post #. Thanks.
Q2: I have already told you, don’t jump ahead of the debate, I know you are very keen to bring Hadiths in to it, but you should remember;
A- It was your choice to start this debate to discuss the death of ISA As according to the Quran, so stick to it. B- Even the Hadiths are no use to you, firstly, they would not help you an iota, secondly, you should always remember if they contradict Quranic decrees then they should be rejected out of hand. Wait patiently and I will prove it. C- We are still dealing with Al-Imran 55 and other related verses in this Surah.
My question to you was legit. Hence required clarification. Since you said there are muslims believing in Isa AS death. I asked what they think of ahadith mentioning His second coming?
Q3: *You keep repeating ascension; even though I have not mentioned it. *
A- You decided to discuss “Cause you to die” natural death by opening this thread. B- If you wanted to discuss the bodily ascension then you should have open the thread for that. C- I even gave you the choice to select the three translations of 3:55, you selected Asad’s translation of “cause you to die” to which you added your meaning of natural death. Therefore, you are stuck with it, for this thread, please continue, to prove the case from the Holy Quran. You should remember what I have said from the start, the death is not the only issue, *but death at the age of 120/125 in Kashmir. *
Its quite strange how you do not want to admit your own belief. Either you believe in his ascension or you do not. The only reason i think we are debating here is because you do not believe in His death, and hence believe in His ascension. One must not feel ashamed of whatever belief s/he holds.
Its rather funny how you said above to stick to Quran as its why i opened this thread, but then you randomly keep bringing 120/125 years and His death in Kashmir. You want me to stick to Quran, i will stick to Quran.
*1- Cause you to die is the phrase used by ASAD because he believes that Isa As was given death by Allah SWT before the crucifixion so the Jews can not hang him As on the cross. *
2- The same explanation is given by Ghamdi in the video. Muslims who believe death of Isa As they believe he As was given death by Allah SWT so he does not suffer the ignominy to be hang on the cross.
Please tell me , are these Muslims believing what you said above right in assuming that? Do you or do you not agree with them ?
What i wanted to know was Isa (AS)'s death. Thank you very much that you told me that there are muslims believing in Isa (AS)'s death. However it was. I am not concerned. Case closed.
If you are stuck, admit it and move on, don’t waste my and everyone’s time by repeating it. It would be very easy for me to prove from the earlier posts that I have answered your questions. I have explained everything in details.
lol i am not stuck. I am infact enjoying and in the same time gaining knowledge.
If you are not a believer of Jesus (AS)'s ascension to heavens.. i have no interest debating with you any further.