Your Questions answered as they are asked.
Q1: I am afraid you are once again showing dishonesty. I know you may not like it but truth have to be told. I prove it to you.
A- I gave you examples from Mirza and Zafrullah, when this conversation took place.
B- I gave you the evidence from preceding Verse which clearly shows when this conversation took place. Not only this but I quoted the tafsir of Asad which says, it described the Essence. I even said according to some scholars Jesus As was an essence too. Allah knows the best.
Q2: I have already told you, don’t jump ahead of the debate, I know you are very keen to bring Hadiths in to it, but you should remember;
A- It was your choice to start this debate to discuss the death of ISA As according to the Quran, so stick to it.
B- Even the Hadiths are no use to you, firstly, they would not help you an iota, secondly, you should always remember if they contradict Quranic decrees then they should be rejected out of hand. Wait patiently and I will prove it.
C- We are still dealing with Al-Imran 55 and other related verses in this Surah.
Q3: You keep repeating ascension; even though I have not mentioned it.
A- You decided to discuss “Cause you to die” natural death by opening this thread.
B- If you wanted to discuss the bodily ascension then you should have open the thread for that.
C- I even gave you the choice to select the three translations of 3:55, you selected Asad’s translation of “cause you to die” to which you added your meaning of natural death. Therefore, you are stuck with it, for this thread, please continue, to prove the case from the Holy Quran. You should remember what I have said from the start, the death is not the only issue, but death at the age of 120/125 in Kashmir.
Q4: You keep repeating your question even though answers were given to you repeatedly. Your insistence wouldn’t change my answers.
A- I told you what the difference is in details. 1- Some Muslims believes he As was given death by Allah SWT and angel took him to the heavens. 2- your cultist gave short cut to Ghamdi’s video, he clearly stated what is these Muslims point of view is. Watch the video again, instead of wasting every one’s time.
These were your 4 questions in your one post, and then in your subsequent post you ask the same questions again. Let me restate what is the difference of “cause you to die” and natural death.
1- Cause you to die is the phrase used by ASAD because he believes that Isa As was given death by Allah SWT before the crucifixion so the Jews can not hang him As on the cross.
2- The same explanation is given by Ghamdi in the video. Muslims who believe death of Isa As they believe he As was given death by Allah SWT so he does not suffer the ignominy to be hang on the cross.
3- Your Mirza didn’t use these meanings “cause you to die” he said, this meant Cause you to die natural death in the future, i.e. at the age of 120/125 in Kashmir.
4- He also believed that Isa As was hanged on the cross but survived. He subscribes to swoon theory.
5- I have stated it very clearly from the start at many places. That’s why I started this discussion with the comments that there is a huge difference between “cause you to die” and “cause you to die a natural death” according to Mirza.
6- That’s why some commentators like Asad who take the meanings “cause you to die” use this Verse like an extraordinary event. As I have explained to you from the Holy Quran that these words are not used for any other Prophets of Allah SWT in the Holy Quran, not even to Prophet SAW, even though all the prophets suffered persecutions of various degrees. I even said that the explanations given by Asad make perfect sense, but the explanations given by Mirza are bogus and lies. They have mega holes in them, which I will expose in my articles in details. But as you know these Muslims are in minority but majority believes that he AS was taken alive to the heavens. Which we are not discussing in this thread.
Please don’t ask me repeated questions, I want you to continue with your debate, answer my questions for Prophet Muhammad SAW, you have not answered them, don’t say you have. Once you answer these two questions, I will conclude the evidence from Surah Imran and move to other Surah’s in the Holy Quran on this issue.
If you are stuck, admit it and move on, don’t waste my and everyone’s time by repeating it. It would be very easy for me to prove from the earlier posts that I have answered your questions. I have explained everything in details.