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Regarding your first point : It is not very hard to understand really.. when Jews were waiting for Elijah (AS) to appear before Jesus (AS), Jesus (AS) referred to John the Baptist as being the Elijah (AS). This is clear that a name or title can be given to someone , provided he is just like one of them. To put it very simply, Jesus AS was to Moses as the new title holder of Jesus will be to Muhammad. Only condition now is, no new religion can there be now. Islam is what it is, and will remain till the day of judgment.
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This is the problem with you Qadianis. You show your hypocrisy in every thing.
1- First, you wanted to have discussion and proofs from the Holy Quran. Can you show me evidence of what you have written in the Holy Quran?
2- Secondly, would you accept everything written in the Bible for Isa As?
3- Thirdly, Mirza in the guise of attacking an imaginary Jesus of the Bible used abusive and downright nasty language. Your literature is full of explanations that Mirza never attacked the Prophet ISA As of the Quran. If you using the above example would you agree;
A- Jesus of the Bible was not imaginary?
B- Do you agree with everything written in the Bible?
C- Did Mirza attacked and abuse the real Isa As and his As family?
I simply wouldn’t allow you to show your hypocrisy and bring the non-existing Isa As of the Bible according to Mirza when it suits you. You also restrict this conversation to the premise you started with, i.e. evidence from the Holy Quran. Show me these quotes from the Holy Quran.
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regarding your second point : ok, now since re-incarnation is not a belief in Islam.. the only way you can justify your position is if He (AS) himself appears ? You know very well that death do not accompany the livings. Once dead, He is never to return in His bodily shape. This is exactly what we are talking about here. There is no mention of Him going to heavens bodily and coming back of him bodily.
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1- I can only laugh at your ignorance, have you ever read the books of Mirza with open eyes? You agreed that re-incarnation is not an Islamic concept; therefore, anyone who state and follow this principle wouldn’t be a Muslim according to the Holy Quran?
2- Oh you have not proven anything at all. I am only defeating you on your own chosen meanings that Allah SWT told Isa As “I will cause you to die” to which you added natural death. I have not discussed or brought any arguments for bodily ascension. I don’t need to; you are trying to prove it to us Muslims death of Isa AS at the age of 120/125 in Kashmir after he As survived the Crucifixion, from the Holy Quran, for Us to understand Mirza’s claims. But even on this point you don’t know Mirza’s writings. But don’t worry with time I will show you.
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Was he exalted to heavens?
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We are not debating this here not at the moment, so leave it out.
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Now you are inventing, I never said something like this. Remember what I said about ASAD that his explanation is very plausible, but not that of Mirza. Once again it will become apparent to you, once we discuss other evidence from the Holy Quran.
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Can i then safely say He survived the crucifixion ?
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Read my last post again, I have clearly stated, what the positions of the Muslims in either case are. Your question looks very foolish in the light of my clear explanations.
What happened to the Questions I asked about Prophet Muhammad SAW?