Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.
crankthatskunk cut that crap alright. You are only ruining my thread for no reason. Have you read my reply to you? This was what my reply to you was..
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Its a whole new topic altogether. Again, i ask you to not bring Ahmadiyya jamaat in here. Jesus (AS) where ever he went was being accused of illegitimate birth. Thus, Allah has freed him from this in Quran. Kashmir or else where is not what the verse you provided ask me to reply. When did that conversation took place? answer I have given is that when he (AS) was alive. Doesnt matter where He went once he survived crucifixion. Allah has given Him the assurance that you (Jesus AS) will be given death the natural way and will not be killed by the hands of the jews ( jews plan of killing him will always fail ).
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and then you quoted Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) as this :
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“What happened was that God caused things to happen which saved Jesus from death on the cross. Justice demands that we acknowledge the truth and of what the Holy Quran have said, as opposed to the Jewish and Christian’s beliefs.”
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where is the discrepancy ? No Muslim believe His (AS)'s death on cross. Thats what He said. 'as opposed to the jewish and christian's belief'. Jewish belief : they killed him . Christians belief: he (AS) ascended to heavens.
Then again, I said I am not talking about claims of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS). If you have knowledge of Quran, prove His (AS)' ascension towards heaven. You will never succeed.
I also asked if the time that the conversation took place is relevant? if it is , please do let me know. You did not write anything on that regards. You said all Muslims know when that conversation took place..when asked from you the answer , there was no answer.
Quote me from any pages prior to page 10/9 when i have been having discussion with psyah and let me know if you find them wrong. You never will be able to discuss with me this issue. Period. You do not have Quranic knowledge for which i opened this thread.
Long paragraphs will not be of any help to you.
PS: your other question of Muhammad PBUH can wait. But just to give you a bit of an answer... no. Prophet Muhammad PBUH never had that kind of conversation with Allah ( not that i know of ), because His (SAW)'s death was not questionable, neither was the death of any other prophets prior to Muhammad PBUH, BUT Jesus (AS)'s death. It needed clarification in Quran, and it has clarification in Quran. Alas, if you only think about it.