1- Mr. Popat thank you for at least admitting that you do not want to tell us when it happened. You once again are not entirely truthful when you say, you don’t know it. Please don’t ask me to provide you the answer, it is your responsibility.
2- **You once again insisted on his As life time; this once again opens up the question are you taking about 125 years of his As life or 33 years of his As life? **And no point of denying it you started this thread with the intentions to make Muslims understand the claims of Mirza. This 125 years is the claim of Mirza therefore, I am perfectly entitle to ask you this question again. You have to answer it truthfully, which length of life you are referring to?
Listen... we are not here to know who knows how much, and on what issue. We are all here to learn. When I say I do NOT know the time frame of the conversation that means i do NOT know it. Do not accuse me of being dishonest about something that I have no idea about. Please enlighten me as well, if you do not, you are earning sin for not telling the truth to someone who wanted to know.
I never insisted on His age. The standard on which we are talking about is Quran and hadith. Why would i prove His age from the writings of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) whom you do not accept? does not make sense to me. What we both believe in is Quran. Now, if from Quran you can prove his existence .. i will have no choice but to believe it. His age is NOT relevant here. If it is, why do you have hard time telling me? I am here to learn.
3- If you mean Isa As whole life which is 125 years according to Mirza and you, then you have to give me the straight answer, did Jews gave Isa As hard time after his migration to Kashmir? This is once again very legitimate question to ask, as you said this conversation happened because Jews were giving Isa As hard time and wanted to kill him AS.
125 or 33. Even you cannot prove He ascended to heavens bodily at the age of 33 from Quran, neither have i asked you to.
Did Jews give hard time to Isa (AS) in Kashmir? what kind of treatment would you expect from Jews ? Again, dying in Kashmir is not the discussion here. Ascension to heaven bodily is. Keep it straight forward.
Mr. Popat you should know the rules of an honest debate. A person who makes the claims has the burden of proof squarely on his shoulder to prove his claims. I am perfectly entitled to ask you these questions in the light of your own statements. I am expecting honest and straight forward answers.
:D what a joke! Claim i made was that He (AS) is dead. He (AS) is NO LONGER alive bodily anywhere. I have made this claim, i provided you with the verses from Quran that supports my side. Dont tell me how an 'honest' debate is held. I have seen many of your types already. Your job is to come up with either the other meaning of the verses i provided to prove me wrong or show me how/why I am wrong. I am willing to listen. But the fact that you keep bringing jamaat e Ahmadiyya in it is by no means acceptable and will not be replied.
You probably not realizing it but you are losing credibility fast. I once again demand straight answers. You have conceded on first point that’s you don’t know exact time, give answers to the remaining questions, and clarify your own statements.
Straight forward answer you ask? it cannot get any straighter than that. It should hit right on head. >> I DO NOT know the time when the conversation was held. If it is relevant ...Let me know or quit this non-sense. What other questions were raised by you?
This is once again not very honest, I never said to you give me exact minute and second or what Isa As was wearing, *I only wanted to know what incident in his As life sparked this conversation between Allah SWT and Isa As. *
What have you been smoking lately? I do not expect you to know the exact minute but want you to let me know when it happened as i DO NOT know. What is there to be so proud of?
Mr. Popat** every one who is reading these posts is aware when this conversation took place**, they also know that you deliberately do not want to answer the question. My job is done on this point.
Who made you represent of whoever is reading these posts?? You have some sort of problem which needs attention of psychologists.. lol @ everyone who is reading these posts are aware when this conversation took place.. I DONT ! if anyone else knew they would have written something.
You are also wrong to write that I have to prove. No Mr. Popat you have to prove** that Isa As has died at the age of 120/125 in Kashmir, in the context that you wanted us Muslims to understand the claims of Mirza.** I have started to take part on this thread only on those two points which I have already stated. I have very clearly stated that idea of death of Jesus from Holy Quran was prevalent in Muslim Ummah for 1000 years before Mirza.
Thread is about Quran and ahadith which me and you both agree upon. Talk to me in regards to Quran and hadith ... but you never will. I neither have to prove he (AS) died at the age of 120 , nor will i ask you to prove he ascended up in heavens at the age of 33. This discussion could only take place when proof of Isa (AS)'s death is shown and then we can talk about His age. Do not write anymore on this stuff please. Talk to me in regards to what Quran has to say about Isa (AS). I am not interested in any other writing for now.
It is absolutely relevant, that is the difference between the Muslims who believed or believe on his As death according to the Holy Quran and Mirza’s and yours idea of his AS death. Why you think I have started the debate with this question?
If age is relevant , provide me with the information.
Despite whatever you think or have written, I always know what I am doing. This will become clearer to you every step of the way.
To my Muslim Brothers and Sisters the difference between I and Popat is that he is reading from his sheet, even though he does not want to admit it. But he is lost once he is asked a question answer to which he has not read before. On the other hand all my ideas are my own ideas, which are protected by Copy Rights Laws. Whatever, I write on my Weblog or in the debates on any forum, is protected as my intellectual property, according to the world recognized Laws. I know many of my ideas from my past debates have been copied and are in circulation on the internet. I keep copy of anything substantial I write on any Forum as a proof of my intellectual property. In this thread and some others, you are going to read some points, angles and questions, which you may have never come across. All the legal mumbo jumbo out of the way; let me concentrate on furthering this debate.
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I am not divinely guided and hence the need of research from my side arise. Yes, I do not know at what time the conversation took place , because I have never thought as it could be important too. I also have never read anything in regards to the verse in which the conversation took place. You on other hand are not willing to listen even one bit, which is making this debate useless. I said age doesnt matter, and you said it does.. but failed to tell me 'why' it does?
Look at you praising all yourself. I will never praise myself and I will continue to thank Allah for giving me the capacity to know right from wrong and I will continue to pray to Allah to give me more and more knowledge and to lead me to right path , whichever one it may be. If I am wrong in my judgement , it is your duty to tell me why?
My next Question to Mr. Popat.
*Did Allah SWT ever have this kind of conversation with Prophet Muhammad SAW in the Holy Quran? Let me clarify I am looking for the exact phrase used “cause you to die”. *
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Question can wait until you give me the information on conversation. Thank you.