Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.
Good point ... I should be writing Mr. Popat
thank you.
This distinction of different Isa (AS) has been brought by the Ahmadiyya group. I cannot see that hadith refers to a different Isa (AS) from The Isa (AS).
Do you know the hadith from Bukhari, if i remember correctly where it is said that Isa which was sent to bani israel had redish curly long hair , and had broad chest, and then theres this hadith in the very same bukhaari collection of hadith where it is said that Isa AS of latter days will be of medium hight, color of his skin will be fair, and nose will be pointy.. ( perhaps my interpretation might be wrong, please do enlighten me with the hadith if you know which ones im talking about here , thanks )
You are right there is an obligation on us from ASWJ to show why we say he (AS) is alive when we do not say the same for other prophets. I will demonstrate that in due course inshaAllah. The answer does not lie in the Qur'an, but in hadith. As far as we are concerned if it cannot be shown from the Qur'an that Isa (AS) 100% died, then we can rely on hadith that say he is alive.
You will still not be able to find a hadith which says that He AS was raised to heaven bodily and will be coming back to earth bodily. The way to understand a subject is to first research it from Quran and then to back it up, we use hadith. Just like how in Quran it has made salaat mandatory but the method of Namaaz is not said in Quran, thus the need of ahadith arise. When Quran doesnt say that Jesus AS was ascended to heavens bodily , how can you then rely on hadith only?.. do you then not think Isa AS which are in ahadith is the title given to the reformer of Islam, who will be none other than from the shariyah of Muhammad PBUH?
It is Arabic grammar that we are talking about here. Using grammar try to refute what I have said about the dual form of pronouns. From the above statement it is clear to me that you still have not understood.
Here look in English ...
Both of them (together) jump Both of them used to jump (together)
The dual form in Arabic mandates togetherness if two people used to jump together then it means that now either one still jumps or they both together have stopped jumping.
ok no problem there, i see you're trying your best to defend what you believe in. Thus, this also has been admitted by you that it could mean they (both) have stopped eating. Though, you said there is another meaning to it.. so theres a possibility of around 50% that it could mean He AS could have stopped eating as well.. right? I could take that verse as a proof of his death, you on other hand, cannot take that verse to prove him alive. You could only bring possibilities..
Isa (AS) will not be born again, he is not aging (according to me), evidence shall have to wait until we address your other verses. So please bring the next verse.
Great. He AS will not be born again, also, he AS is not aging... Please bro, try not to do shirk here. The only one who was, is , and ever will be present and who make people age, but doesnt age himself, can be none other than Allah Almighty Himself. To say Jesus AS is not aging is thus placing him like Allah. Please do let me know why according to you He is not aging, when on one hand you said it is a possibility that he might have been asleep ( this was the argument you brought to refuse the eating of food ).. are you then saying that one only age when one is on Earth??