Is violence the answer?

Re: Is violence the answer?

America is going to stab Pakistan in the back as soon as it gets a chance... Even today the congress passed a new law that stipulates that Pakistan must show some "real" progress on this war on terror to get any more support...
Doubt Bush will pass it, but its only a matter of time before a new President is in office, and will most likely be a democrat.

Re: Is violence the answer?

I dont have time to go searching for your posts... They are your posts, and this is a new thread... If you have a point to make, then please make it.

Re: Is violence the answer?

laaton kay bhoot baaton say naheen mantay
these people are terrorst criminals and need to be dealt with an iron fist
do people really think that going easy on them will change their views or the threat that they represent?

Re: Is violence the answer?

You have to provide opportunities to people in your country, cut the corruption, and deliver proper punishments to those people that have done wrong.

Hard to do in Pakistan.

But keep in mind. Law enforcement, from time to time, does require violence. However, the people, by agreeing to have this government and live under it, have agreed to give that power to the government. Therefore, all this hue and cry about how can Pakistan’s government raise their hand against another muslim is retarded.

If someone’s done something wrong, they get handcuffed and dragged off to jail. If they resist, they face resistence. If they resist with weapons, they’re going to get violent resistence from the government. Its that simple, and this simple concept is clearly outlined in Islam and Islamic history.

:rolleyes:

Now, violence in the hands of people? No. I cannot possibly think how anyone can think its ok for people to be roaming around with AK-47’s and that too the jaahil unpars that we’re seeing pouring out of places like Lal Masjid!

Pakistan’s people NEED to have weapons stripped off them. Sale of weapons has to be illegal, and anyone caught selling them goes straight to jail. Its a country of masoom illiterate devout muslims, right? So no one should have a problem with stripping everyone of their household stash of arms.

Same goes for a masjid. Pious muslims who just want to be able to follow their religion? Great, then take the arms away. The Prophet didn’t reward every kid borne with a sword, did he?

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**While Hamas fights it out in Gaza, they are busy not attacking ISRAELIS genius!
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You had stated that Hamas was thrown in disarray. Any group thrown in disarray does not have the capacity to take over an entire territory. Hamas not attacking Israelis? Wrong.

Hamas says it fired two Qassam rockets at Israel
Hamas said it fired two rockets from the Gaza Strip at Israel on Friday, a day after heavy fighting between Israel and Hamas in the coastal strip left 11 Palestinians militants dead.

This is the first time Hamas has claimed responsibility for firing rockets at Israel since it took control of Gaza by force in mid-June.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/879170.html

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Yeah, great excuse! These are our people, so we just give them a free hand to commit whatever crime the want! Ridiculous! These people are OUR enemies, get that through your head.. Pakistanis dont blow commit suicide attacks, and bomb girls schools, and music shops! These people are terrorists, they have btrayed their country… And you know what the punishment for treason is! Even in Islam, what is the punishment for mass murderers? The sooner you understand that these people are the enemy, the better!
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I have never said that a free reign should be given. An agreement guaranteeing that attacks are not launched in Pakistan or against the Pakistani military is needed. The government will most likely pursue something similar in FATA, perhaps with assurances from the tribal leadership to reign in foreign elements or working with them to isolate the external presence.

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When you kill the heads of these groups, you demoralize them and forece them to look to less experienced Jihadis to take their place… This makes them less effective atleast in the short term… Buys time to mount an effective attack.. Ofcourse such tactics have to be a last resort, but when was the last time Jihadists and terrorists ever cooperated?
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Killing the heads will not do anything but radicalize the group and make that head a martyr. If OBL is taken out today, Al-Qaida will not go away. Israel targeted Hamas leaders like Sheik Yasin, yet Hamas has hardly gone away. Last years FATA agreement was fairly durable. Unfortunately the Red Mosque incident broke that down. The US says that the agreement allowed the Taliban to regroup, probably true. Their energies had been directed towards Afghanistan and possibly FATA.

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You have no right to accuse others of anything.. You are a typical hypocrite!
You dont know me and you dont know anyone else on this forums background, so please, dont make yourself look like a bigger fool then you already are… Again, YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT!
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I am not sure what you are talking about here. How am I a ‘typical hypocrite’? As for the rest, what are those? Empty words.

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I dont usually bother with people like you… Ignorance for you is a hobby and a way of life… Leave it at that. With rude comments like yours, you should expect and equally rude response…
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Go ahead.

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The MQM is just an EXAMPLE get over it…
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Fact is that you were wrong in stating that MQM as a political party has any any bearing on the suicide bombers or the armed guerrillas. You should get over making baseless statements that are proven wrong.

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The govts policy has been to sideline secular groups in favor of hard core extremists… The govts policy should be to sideline all religous and extrmeist groups in favor of secular groups…
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Although MMA has done well electorally in the NWFP and Baluchistan, the government has been working with these so called secular groups. In fact:
Benazir agrees to Musharraf’s re-election in uniform (http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=9288). So what are you talking about?

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I dont usually respond to rude long winded people like yourself… Infact, I didnt respond to your post, you responded to mine… If you have a problem with what I say, dont repond…
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I did respond to you, because you were WRONG. I will continue to respond as I see fit an continue to correct you when your wrong, unless gupistan or it’s mods restrict me. I have done nothing wrong but point out your bombastic solutions.

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Yours obviously an emotional person who has no grasp on the basics of mature dialogue. It seems your upset, perhaps your servant didnt press your shirt properly, or perhaps they didnt serve your dinner on time?! Stick to your housing colony and leave Pakistan to those who actually know whats happening.**

It is pretty clear who is the emotional one here. Just look at your exclamation points (!) and attacks. I have been discussing with Khehkeshan and others regarding the non-violent solution. Khehkeshan here has been more than civil even when I stated his MO. I am sure when he has the time, he will respond with his plan to find a solution to this mess. If you want to talk about a mature dialogue, 70% of your statements are empty, whether its name calling or talking about me.

Re: Is violence the answer?

The way to tackle the problem is to tackle it from many angles… Pump in funds for development, education etc… But we cant rule out direct attacks either…