Is violence the answer?

This thread is born out of a comment another poster made, which made me think deeply. Force has not quelled violence in Iraq or Afghanistan, or Algeria or elsewhere, and it is unlikely to be the solution to Pakistan’s Islamist problem. The question then is what are the alternative solutions to halt this Islamist menace from ruining Pakistan for all?

Appeasement only makes the aggressor grow stronger, but force will ruin Pakistan. Do you quarantine them in the FATA area?

Serious suggestions only please.

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When there is will, there is way. If right steps are taken, this menace that has gripped Pakistan can be stopped easily, though it would take couple of years. But than, I believe there is no will to do that and hence no commitment. Some are trying and others are creating obstacles. Many devious (rather misguided) individuals in government as well as in society want to support the retards, at the cost of innocent lives and country. It suits them due to their misguided religious convictions or political reasons. There are thing very difficult to write because putting that on paper would mean storm for many … and … I do not think that many are even ready to listen.

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Kick india out from afghanistan , all these bomb blast will stop
and every thing normalize

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Exactly! It is India training these innocent muslim brothers to be suicide bombers. Forcing them to go to other muslims and blow themselves up. It is all a conspiracy by India, I tell you.

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just wait

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Yeah right! India is running Jamia Hafsa, and supplying dandas to .

Man! what hath you smokin'

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man
Jamia Hafsa people were brain washed
i am not saying Jamia Hafsa was being run by india

india is behind these so called mullahs who are creating anger in these brain washed people

if gov will not take proper action , Pakistan will step into civil war

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oh god here we go again about india, honest im not being rude to u meherealone but think about sum of the religious extremists in teh uk and usa and europe ( the muslim ones) is india brainwashing them as well ??i dnt think so cos the bommbers that carried out the bombings in london were of pakistani origin and had never been to india and i doubt indian agents wud b allowd to get away with brainwashing these ppl in the uk, im not indian but u cant blame india 4 everything, yes they do have an interst in causing trouble in pakistan but we have to look at our own ppl 2!

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Kick or mercilessly bomb ISI. All these bomb blasts will stop. It is they who first trained (and perhaps still continue to) these suicide bombers!

And also, prevent arab money flowing into your madrassas where radical version of your faith is preached.

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why the hell wud teh ISI train them are u out of ure mind singh!!!!! Load of nonsense!

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No lets blow up the red mosque, that will solve everything.

LBG, dude you change colors more than a chameleon.

I don't want Pakistani madrasa students or the soldiers getting killed.

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They started it as it would be cheap substitute for fighting when compared to directly engaging the enemy(i don't have to tell who it is ;)) along with erstwhile soviet's red army. Even money for their "training" also comes from outside, so it looked like a win-win situation for your ISI from every side(no money to invest for their training and can also engage the enemy with that). After all these years, some of them have turned their guns against ..........I don't who!!. whether it is pakistan, or musharraff, or USA, or india, or afghanistan....

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uch yeah whtever!!!

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Not at all. I am fully behind the Govt of P. and its actions, I just wish there was a non violent solution, and ask if anyone has any ideas relating to that.

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Out man and out power the extremists... Strengthen the secualr forces till their so strong, that they extremists parties can never challeneg them..
Take the MQM for example, what religous extremist group could ever challenege their hold on Karachi?
Then, quietly assasinate loud mouth mulllah like the one in Swat... Take out Taliban leadership one by one as quietly as possible if possible.
Destroy training camps through whatever means possible...

And keep a close eye on terrorist movement across the the area...
Setup ambushes the same way as the Taliban do...

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The non-violent solutions involve the Pakistani government arranging peace agreements ensuring that no subversive activity will be direct towards Pakistan or its people. The peace agreement that is collapsing in FATA did just that. Pull the Pak. forces back.

Things have gotten ridiculous already with Pakistani soldiers invading FATA like its some foreign territory and extremists taking over mosques. It is in Pakistan's interest to reconcile the differences instead of doing the bidding of US, UK. The US may pull it's troops out of Afghanistan tomarrow, but Pakistan will continue to be it's neighbor.

If we get stupid and start bombing FATA like the secularists want, expect this fight to arrive in your hometown in Pakistan. You don't kill your brothers, no matter the political/religious disagreements.

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Yea that has worked out brilliantly for Israel, US, Egypt and the rest of the monkeyboy regimes. Also your solution is the opposite of non-violent as LBG had mentioned. Just try doing that, and you will see the urban areas of Pakistan in flames and I am talking about Karachi and Lahore. But what do you care, you'll be sitting in the good ol' US of A, right?

I am not sure how the MQM, the most hated party (on gupistan) suddenly became the saviors of Karachi? Alas even they could no prevent the Danny Pearl murder or the scores of Al-Qaida elements that are still holed up in there.

Leave the policy making decisions to those who have grasp of internal warfare. Easy to talk about targetted killing of leaders will mean further radicalizing the movement by creating martyrs. Even Isreal's Mossad got that hint.

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You're preaching to the wrong party. You still don't get it do you? The mullah terrorists want to kill you, your family and anyone else who does not agree with their version of forced Islam. The peace deal with tribals has been an utter failure. They have used this to reequip, regroup and attack not only forces in Afghanistan but also in Pakistan. If you can't do the job, America will and they won't be sending ground troops this time if you know what I mean.

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Aap tou commando style solution sonchtay hou :) I think solution is much easier and non-violent. I did not mentioned earlier because many would not like it, as for some it would mean promoting religion control in society, thought it is not. [Many retards that have evil designs in Pakistan would surely going to oppose what solution I have in my mind]. Anyhow, here is what solution I believe would work. Everything can be sorted out by one method. Control of religious education, Madrassa and Mosques.

Government should introduce ‘right education or no education policy’. That mean, no boarding madrasas in the country (for any age student). All Madrasas should be under government control (no independent madrasas). Madrassas should have three categories of students. Children under 10 should not be allowed in madrassas. Children between the ages of 10 to 18 could only go to madrassa for maximum of one hour a day 5 days a week, and that also only to learn to read Quran unless they want to do hifz, then they can go to madrassa (specially monitored) for maximum of 2 hours a day, 5 days a week (for student learning only Quran (reading or doing hifz), they can attend madrassa in evenings only ... between 4 PM to 7 PM).

If anyone wants to learn deeper Islam, they can join ‘higher education madrassa’ (minimum 4 years course, and further 2 years course if desired) only if they have finished their graduation from main stream college/university and should be at least 20 years old. These madrassa has to follow strict government syllabus and should be government controlled. First three years of 4 year course should be to learn basics of all different sects of Islam (each and every maslak and sects), a bit of all world main religions, differences and reasons of differences (so that students can appreciate and respect everyone that call themselves Muslim, and should know bits of other religions too). Next one year should be regarding the maslak or sect they want to learn. During the length of course, they can learn to read, write and speak Arabic too. At the end, they should be awarded BI (bachelor in Islam) degree (in whatever maslak/sect of Islam they want). If they want to, they can further study 2 more years and get MI (Master in Islam) degree.

All teachers in Madrassa should be graduates and should get appointed in madrassa as lecturer in grade 17. All TV and radio transmission should be government controlled and monitored when transmitting religion education. Government should also use TV and other media to spread true Islam, and I think that would also help, as Islam teaches human to respect rights of all (be they Muslim and non-Muslims) and teaches tolerance.

Reason is that, unlike other educations that teach us how to be good human being and earn our living, religion can brainwash human brain and if taught wrong things, can produce retards and zombies. Actually, if teaching religion (Islam) can also make a person good human being, but only if taught by educated teacher teaching right Islam, that is why monitoring what is taught is necessary.

Similarly, all mosques in Pakistan should be under government control and closely monitored, and government should make sure that none are used for spreading sectarian or political fitna in the country. Religious (maslak and sect) independence should be there in Pakistan, but should be monitored so that no mosque or madrassa (in private or government hand) should find any opportunity to spread fitna (militarism, terrorism, sectarian divides and hate) in the name of Islam. There should be zero tolerance on madrassa and mosque spreading fitna. Anyone found guilty of spreading fitna, should be punished without any leniency. Mosque Imams should have at least a degree and should be appointed on grade 16 (minimum).

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Great idea. I'll add to this just a bit. Not only there should be no "boarding madrassah", there should be no madrassa at all.

Every building known as Madrassah should be given to education department.

Yeap. That's how they control mosques all over Saudi and even Dubai.