Re: Is violence the answer?
*Killing the brains of the operation does seem to work to some extent, atleast in throwing the organization into some disarray as they look to recoup... Israel has been succesful to some degree in thrwoing groups like Hamas into a tail spin. *
Yes, indeed Hamas was thrown into disarray. That tailspin involved the total control of the Gaza strip and the eradication of the Fatah presence.
** Maybe appeasment is your idea of defense, but dont expect us all to fall for your suicidal policies! **
You appease enemies. These are Pakistani people. I am not speaking in favor of any foreign Arab, Uzbek et al elements.
** Its non violent in that we arent going after the whole organization gun blazing, we are only killing their heads... **
It is still violent. When you kill the 'heads' you assuredly 1. Radicalize the group further 2. New leaders emerge. There is no shortage.
** And dont be so condescending... We all have roots in Pakistan and we all care about it... We all came from Pakistan, we are all effected by what happens there, not just arrogant pseudo peaceniks like you... You people think you sit in Pakistan and you KNOW everything that is going on and you experience everything! What amrtyr you are! Hoinestly, try leaving your posh little housing society and see the rest of Pakistan and then talk! **
You are wrong on every single thing that you have stated. I don't need to further defend my background or integrity, so I'll move on.
** And I didnt say the MQM was a savior genius... Perhaps if you could get your head out of your ass, you would understand the meaning... I meant that you cant allow religous parties such as the JI to take control at the expense of secular forces... How did you miss that? **
I can see that your annoyed perhaps even angry to resort to foul language. But please don't further embarrass yourself. You stated:
- Take the MQM for example, what religous extremist group could ever challenege their hold on Karachi?*
MQM's "hold" is in the election process in terms of representation in the government. MQM as a political party does not have ant bearing on the suicide bombers or the armed guerrillas. In fact having religious parties involved in the government is preferable to disorganized groups attacking govt installations. Is it clear enough? I am happy to break it down further?
** You have absolutely no grasp of internal warfare, infact you have no knowledge of warfare in general... If I really needed lectures on "warfare" from intelectual midgets, I will ask! Now calm down...**
Well then, I expect that you will be ignoring my "intellectual midget" posts going forward? I do suggest that you take your own advice regarding calming down.
This schism between extremists and the government has emerged in many Muslim countries. The approach of wiping out the extremists is something that many people here are supporting, but it is not really an original approach. The US has done the same thing by attempting to wipe "terror cells and networks" since 2001. It has invaded two nations. This approach has been met with limited success: True, no new attacks in the US, but rather the dispersion of attacks throughout the world. Also the US is bogged down in never ending conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, with many casualties.
To the Americans its an easy approach to take because when they see Iraqis or Afghanis they see potential Muslim terrorists. No distinctions are made and until very recently many US policymakers were unaware of the history/background of the countries they were occupying. Pakistan, on the other hand, has experience and does not have luxury of completely pulling out its troops since these things are happening on its soil, new approaches are needed. This is a great thread because LGB has asked for those new approaches.
While Hamas fights it out in Gaza, they are busy not attacking ISRAELIS genius!
Yeah, great excuse! These are our people, so we just give them a free hand to commit whatever crime the want! Ridiculous! These people are OUR enemies, get that through your head.. Pakistanis dont blow commit suicide attacks, and bomb girls schools, and music shops! These people are terrorists, they have btrayed their country... And you know what the punishment for treason is! Even in Islam, what is the punishment for mass murderers? The sooner you understand that these people are the enemy, the better!
When you kill the heads of these groups, you demoralize them and forece them to look to less experienced Jihadis to take their place... This makes them less effective atleast in the short term... Buys time to mount an effective attack.. Ofcourse such tactics have to be a last resort, but when was the last time Jihadists and terrorists ever cooperated?
You have no right to accuse others of anything.. You are a typical hypocrite!
You dont know me and you dont know anyone else on this forums background, so please, dont make yourself look like a bigger fool then you already are... Again, YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT!
I dont usually bother with people like you... Ignorance for you is a hobby and a way of life... Leave it at that. With rude comments like yours, you should expect and equally rude response...
The MQM is just an EXAMPLE get over it... The govts policy has been to sideline secular groups in favor of hard core extremists... The govts policy should be to sideline all religous and extrmeist groups in favor of secular groups...
I dont usually respond to rude long winded people like yourself... Infact, I didnt respond to your post, you responded to mine... If you have a problem with what I say, dont repond... Yours obviously an emotional person who has no grasp on the basics of mature dialogue. It seems your upset, perhaps your servant didnt press your shirt properly, or perhaps they didnt serve your dinner on time?! Stick to your housing colony and leave Pakistan to those who actually know whats happening.