Is too much attention to Islam hindering development in Pak?

I see our people concerned more with implementing their supposed interpretations of Islam all the time. This seems to be their only fantasy. And this is true specifically for the educated people. The very same people who decide a country’s course of action.
Our emphasis on all-things-Islamic is so much that we neglect factors necessary for development of any country. Factors like education, peace, justice, rule of law, clean-government, economy, jobs, to name a few.

It looks like our people have accepted their condition as their fate. We seem to have learned to live in misery, and we have no idea what a happy, prosperous life looks like.
Hence our people held tens of demonstrations against Facebook. So much so that the court had to ban it. And yet there have been no demonstrations about economic hardships and successive governments’ failures.

The only aim of life of some of our people seem to be only to ensure separation of sexes in all fields. But they would be nothing but talk when crimes in society are mentioned.

It frustrates me to see us in such a bad shape when I compare Pakistan with the rest of the world. I want to see my country developed.

I wish.


Poverty in Pakistan

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I have been thinking the same thing for some time now. I don't know if religion itself is to blame for it. If you look at 'sucessful' states, they are not dictated by religious laws or rules.
I think we should not be confined by any thing including religion.

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Yes. So busy jamming Islam down everyone's throats, they can't make any progress.

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Pakistan is destined to play a role in the next khilafah movement. It will always be in a state of struggle until a khilafah is established.

Do what you want, Pakistan will never become like Atakafir's secularist Turkey.

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Guys, you know what I am saying. ^

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By the way, I don't think it is Islam that is the problem. Rather it is the extremist fanaticism among our people that is at the core of the problem.

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Islam is not the problem. Its the idiots who think they know the religion who are screwing it up for every one.

For the time being, Pakistan needs to quietly put religion aside and focus on development in the country so that there is progress. With out proper education, we will not be able to move ahead in anything including religion. The main reason all the pakistanis are turning to extremism is because of lack of education and lack of critical thinking. Its not just our religion that we are putting under bad light but its many other things including cricket.

If you look around, all the popular islamic scholors are from secular states like India, Turkey, Egypt, South Africa and Canada.

here’s my question (and probably the reason why the thread was opened) , has mufti kakakhel done anything to better the life of any poor person? i bet musharaf served the country more when he was mufti kakakhel’s age..Fine, he left musharaf speechless BUT has he himself done anything to better the life of an average person around him? Mulk baaton sey nahi banti, kaam karney sey banti hai.. Religious fanatics waste everyone’s time since they themselves are only capable of talking big through a loudspeaker that they don’t even know how it works…

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I have no clue why pakistanis are so obsessed with religion.

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That was uncalled for really. One need not be ignorant and just a little research will save one from humiliation.

Please see following links for Maulana Adnan’s efforts: http://servethehumanity.wordpress.com/
http://www.save-humans.org/?q=image-galleries/kakakhel-relief-camp-idps-swat

On final note: The pious need not show their good works in public, they only fear Allah, they only do good works for sake of Allah and they only expect reward from Allah, not this dunya. You will not see ulema in the spotlight for this reason + the hatered the minority public shows towards them.

I heard a story one time about a Japanese who visited Pakistan. At the time of his departure he was asked by a reporter what he thinks about prospects of Pakistan’s economic development. The Japanese shook his head and said that he doesn’t think Pakistan has any chance of development. Because people in Pakistan are so much concerned about their after-life that they don’t care at all about their dilapidated life in this present life.

That is such a true observation. Explains very well current thinking of many Pakistanis.

Take a look at the following mock interview of Inzamam in a comedy program. The host talks about the upcoming match with W. Indies, and asks Inzamam how the team’s preparation is. Inzamam replies that team’s preparation is good, because they are offering prayers on time and also keeping their fasts!

While that was a comedy show, but it pretty much sums up the attitude of Pakistanis. We, as a whole, are incompetent in almost all fields except religion. “Pakistan Islam ka qila he.”

There are many factors but religion is certainly not the one.. There are non islamic states that are far more poor then Pak... And then there are some islamic states that are rich and prosperous then some non islamic states.

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^ Yes, there are many factors but I think too much attention to religion is one of the most important ones.
Which are the too-much-Islamic states that are rich and prosperous WITHOUT the petro-money?

Also, I am not saying that Islam is the problem.

UAE economy is not petro based, Malaysia and Turkey also come to mind.

You can apply the same theory to "too much non islamic states" and still very poor... Why

And I have no clue why indians are obsessed with Pakistanis.

And yes too much Islam in Pakistan is bad for the country. Become secular like Turkey.Religion and Politics don't mix well.

UAE's growth was possible through oil only. Turkey and Malaysia are not much religious.

This theory is not a universal truth. It can not be applicable all over the world. There are various factors which can cause a country's economy to do down the drain.
I am only saying that Pakistan is a country whose fundamentals are strong. It is a country sitting at the threshold of going up. But somehow it can not pass this threshold. And one of the major reasons for this failure is our people's fixation on religion.

You need to do a lot of home work

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In the Arab world, UAE has the third-largest non-oil GDP, behind Egypt and Morocco, as of 2005.

what humiliation?? i just asked what he’d done as he was criticizing musharaf.. it’s gud he’s helping swat ppl wid relief goods.. his efforts r appreciated.. i was asking because of an incident..

my mother worked for Plan international (an NGO) back in Pakistan.. thier mansehra office was attacked by gunmen coz they were incited by local mullahs that it was angrez organization n it was working for angrez.. ppl working there who by the way were all local, were attacked and i think 6 were killed.. the office was closed down and wid it were suspended many programs aimed at betterment of the local ppl.. i can give u many other examples if u want.. our clergy does more harm than good..

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Wait Malaysia not religious? What about Indonesia? You know that more women wear Hijab in Indonesia and Malaysia seperately then they do in Pakistan and India combined?

Every been to Dubai or the Doha Airports? You see throngs of Malay and Indonesian women in Hijabs. You know that Malaysia is the only Islamic country that provides different rules for Muslims and different rules for Non-muslims?

You ever heard about the Allah controversy in Malaysia regarding bibles? I am sorry but you really gotta read up on this stuff before you comment. Malaysia and Turkey are perfect blends of modern life with Islam and if you think Turkey is not a very Islamic country go visit it outside of Ankara and Istanbul.

Both countries are very Islamic in nature, creed and practice.