Is this true?

[ZeeshanParvez]

Re: Is this true?

@ZeeshanParvez

Not yet. According to the material I have read Subki is actually the “granddaddy” who promoted this and the Salaf, like the Tabi’ and those who followed did not practice this as we have no narrations from them.

I think given time we should examine Istigathaa in more detail. Tawassul, though I do not practice it, has never been an issue for me.

Istigatha, on the other hand, has.

@vroom

I still believe him, and i am not taking back what i added till either i learn to translate myself, or i get someone else to check what i need checking. I will look into this hadith, or not hadith, that you guys are using here and elsewhere on the internet at some point. It needs a full and comprehensive investigation, although the fact that you were saying it is not hadith to be used according to your principles suggests the wheels will fall off with this line of then using it, as is evidenced from even a shar of it and its use all over the internet including here

However it is a side issue, some accepted proofs for istighatha have already been shown to you.

You can not hide behind insults such as ‘granddaddy’ and ‘coconut’. Or at least they should show you where you stand in terms of ahklaaq. I am not angry, you are.

You not wasting your time with me means one of three things 1) You are aware, or suspect that these issues are proven from Quran and Sunnah in the favour of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah 2) You are not willing to acknowledge their validity 3) hiding nifaaq for another day, meaning to continue regardless having internally acknowledged the validity of issues such as istighatha.

The list I made earlier REQUIRES you to accept the statements i put forward for you to accept. And if this is not done then know that I know your secret, and all the believers know your secret

A little practice in reading comprehension would help your case!