is this true

[gul_khan]

that when Hazrat Muhammad SAW was born he was circumcised already & Hazrat Fatima RA didn;t have periods & stuff & she was paak from that ?? … is this true ..??? …

[EngrFatima]

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Allah knows best, but i dont think its true.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Peace unknownnn,

From where you heard/read this?

[kchughtai]

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For Mods: I think this an obnoxious question having no intellectual value. So kindly delete this thread.

[gul_khan]

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^ this is a genuine question & quite an informative one too ...... if you are not interested in increasing your knowledge about last prophet SAW then please kindly go away ......

[gul_khan]

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@lethal_kamikaze

Peace unknownnn,

From where you heard/read this?

From some shia people so I thought to ask & confirm this thing........

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Peace unknownnn,

Kindly bear in my mind that we are here not professional scholars, an Aalim or Mufti. We are just like you an ordinary person :). Such question which needed to be confirmed, firstly may be asked to the very same person that if your r saying so and so that provide us the source of that i.e., book and/or hadith no and then cross check it with another. Simply listening from a person and then asking other for clarification will no way benefit u.

Will answer your question later.

[Prince_Ali]

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@kchughtai

For Mods: I think this an obnoxious question having no intellectual value. So kindly delete this thread.

I agree. :k:

@unknownnn

^ this is a genuine question & quite an informative one too … if you are not interested in increasing your knowledge about last prophet SAW then please kindly go away …

Pardon? Quite informative? I find this question highly controversial, offensive and uninformative.
Would you ever ask your grandma about your dad’s circumcision?

[pwner]

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The question is important, as it is an important part of the thesis that they were not normal humans (even physically)and had extra-human qualities.

[Ibn_Sadique]

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Mankind is the best creation of Allah Almighty. Allah Almighty made the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) the best of Mankind. He is the most beloved to Allah Almighty so much so that Allah Almighty and all of His angels send their blessings on the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Allah Almighty commands the believers to do the same!

Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. al-Ahzab 33:56
First and foremost we must know and acknowledge that Prophet Muhammad is a human being. Allah created him as a human being. He has flesh and bone. He felt pain and hunger. Good thing s pleased him and evil things angered him, he got married and had children ….etc. etc……

The proof is that Allah mentioned in al-Qur’an that [Qul innama 'Ana Basharum-Mithlukum Yuha ilay] which means [O Muhammad tell them that: I am a human being like you, Allah sends on me the revelation]. So he is a human being, but the best of Allah’s creations!!. He was the supreme and the Last Prophet and Messenger of Allah Almighty to the whole of Mankind and the Jinn.

So following is the reference to his circumcision when was seven days old as was the custom of the Arabs.

His mother immediately sent someone to inform his grandfather ‘Abdul-Muttalib of the happy event. Happily he came to her, carried him to Al-Ka‘bah, prayed to Allâh and thanked Him. ‘Abdul-Muttalib called the baby Muhammad, a name not then common among the Arabs. He circumcised him on his seventh day as was the custom of the Arabs. [Ibn Hisham 1/159,160; Zad Al-Ma'ad 1/18; Muhadarat Tareekh Al-Umam Al-Islamiyah 1/62]

Lady Fatimah (may Allah Almighty be pleased with her) one of four daughters of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him). She was human too and all had human attributes. She was the favourite child of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him). Like her sisters she got married and had children.

It is mostly the Shia and the extreme Sufis who attribute Divine like qualities to them.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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:lkk:

[pwner]

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[QUOTE]
It is mostly the Shia and the extreme Sufis who attribute Divine like qualities to them.
[/QUOTE]

lol no. Its all in rage within the brailivies.

[Texan_Dude]

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The way your qeustion is worded its a bit obscene. However, I would want to quote an ayat from Quran, which talks about Purity (Pakeezgi) of Ahleybait. I am sure all sects agree Bibi Fatima Zehra SA is a member of Ahley bait.

And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.[33:33]

The purity of Ahleybait is mentined in the Quran.. Having said that your question is inappropriate.. specially in a family forum.. I dont even want to think down those lines or talk about it.. You need keep a line of Haya and respect.. specially when it comes to such Holy Personalities.

Would you like to discuss your Mom, wife, daughter or sister's femanine needs in a public forum with their names. If not, please have respect for the daughter of our beloved Prophet also.

I am suprised moderators haven't taken a notice of it.

[vroom]

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As-salamu Alaikum, I am surprised Ahle Tasawwuf is being attacked in this thread. Until someone bumped it, i wouldn’t have guessed what was happening here

With you asking these Questions on this forum, or most other forums, you will get answers mainly from the two rising groups, namely the deobandi and the salafi. From what I have seen in places where they sit together there is usually agreement, so to term both these groups as wahabi is correct in my opinion. It is not a good practice to have beliefs of Traditional Islam approved by these groups, as the answer would be very angry, in its undertones, and a derogatory response will be given regarding those sensitive beliefs

I’d Just like say that as a person attempting to stay on the path of Traditional Sunni Islam non of the two beliefs mentioned in op would be divine qualities or infer Shirk. We already affirm much more miraculous beliefs from The Quran and Sunnah such as birth without a father, making life from clay, bringing back the dead. This of course all done with the Permission of Allah Subhanhu wa Ta’ala as is everything even what we consider non miraculous everyday things

Now the style of the newer groups often makes them reject certain things, or show opposition to certain sensitive beliefs
for example there is a video made by Ahul Bidah circulating on the internet against the shia called ‘Imami airways’ This attacks and makes fun of the concept of travel by strange creatures however in Sunni Islam this is confirmed by Sahih Hadiths (Al-Bukhari)
An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Al-Buraq:

“… Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me.” … “The animal’s step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal’s sight…”
—Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[1]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq#cite_note-1)

Another description of the Buraq:Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. He could place his hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. He had long ears. Whenever he faced a mountain his hind legs would extend, and whenever he went downhill his front legs would extend. He had two wings on his thighs which lent strength to his legs.
He bucked when Muhammad came to mount him. The angel Jibril (Gabriel) put his hand on his mane and said: “Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is.” Hearing this he was so ashamed that he sweated until he became soaked, and he stood still so that the Prophet mounted him.[2]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq#cite_note-2)

Now the people exposed to the presentation of Ahul Bidah, the video, those whose hearts make fun of the concept will show an element of Kufr (rejection) when they see Sahih Al-Bukhari

Now with regard to where these Bidahs are going, people who see these concepts as heretical, I have personally been told that ‘reverence’ of The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam is Shirk Astagfirullah. And I have personally been told that bending your neck down to kiss a preserved relic of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam is Shirk. and this is whats rising in the Ummah

…we are just 200 years or so from the formulation of this Bidah, where it will be when in another 100 years is any ones guess. It is gathering pace

Now to comment on the two beliefs mentioned in OP, i have never heard of the first belief, but I have heard of the second belief and I am sure it is a belief held by Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah of olde, of olde worlde Islam

Now some people might say you are like shias. The answer to that is yes in some ways we are. Many of the Sunni Ulema of this nation have been accused of being shias. Here is **Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal **Al-Barelvi Rehmatullah Alaih being approved of as sunni by Ahul Bidah. The Allegations are Shirk, Heresy, and Shiaism: Wrong concepts of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal …by ahlu tauheed of pakistan

This is their own presentation btw and not something made against them!

And since this thread has been used a staging post for attacks on Ahle Tasawwuf and the attacks have been associated with Shirk, one thing we can All agree on is Lanatullah e ahlal Kazibeen (Curse of Allah be upon the liars)

My pleasure

[gul_khan]

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Mankind is the best creation of Allah Almighty. Allah Almighty made the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) the best of Mankind. He is the most beloved to Allah Almighty so much so that Allah Almighty and all of His angels send their blessings on the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Allah Almighty commands the believers to do the same!

Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. al-Ahzab 33:56 First and foremost we must know and acknowledge that Prophet Muhammad is a human being. Allah created him as a human being. He has flesh and bone. He felt pain and hunger. Good thing s pleased him and evil things angered him, he got married and had children ….etc. etc……

The proof is that Allah mentioned in al-Qur’an that [Qul innama 'Ana Basharum-Mithlukum Yuha ilay] which means [O Muhammad tell them that: I am a human being like you, Allah sends on me the revelation]. So he is a human being, but the best of Allah’s creations!!. He was the supreme and the Last Prophet and Messenger of Allah Almighty to the whole of Mankind and the Jinn.

So following is the reference to his circumcision when was seven days old as was the custom of the Arabs.

His mother immediately sent someone to inform his grandfather ‘Abdul-Muttalib of the happy event. Happily he came to her, carried him to Al-Ka‘bah, prayed to Allâh and thanked Him. ‘Abdul-Muttalib called the baby Muhammad, a name not then common among the Arabs. He circumcised him on his seventh day as was the custom of the Arabs. [Ibn Hisham 1/159,160; Zad Al-Ma'ad 1/18; Muhadarat Tareekh Al-Umam Al-Islamiyah 1/62]

Lady Fatimah (may Allah Almighty be pleased with her) one of four daughters of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him). She was human too and all had human attributes. She was the favourite child of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him). Like her sisters she got married and had children.

It is mostly the Shia and the extreme Sufis who attribute Divine like qualities to them.

Thanks for your post ........ but there was “the seal of prophethood” between his shoulder blades on his back, just in the line with his heart ...... when he ( SAW ) was born ... right?

[psyah]

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@vroom

As-salamu Alaikum, I am surprised Ahle Tasawwuf is being attacked in this thread. Until someone bumped it, i wouldn’t have guessed what was happening here

With you asking these Questions on this forum, or most other forums, you will get answers mainly from the two rising groups, namely the deobandi and the salafi. From what I have seen in places where they sit together there is usually agreement, so to term both these groups as wahabi is correct in my opinion. It is not a good practice to have beliefs of Traditional Islam approved by these groups, as the answer would be very angry, in its undertones, and a derogatory response will be given regarding those sensitive beliefs

I’d Just like say that as a person attempting to stay on the path of Traditional Sunni Islam non of the two beliefs mentioned in op would be divine qualities or infer Shirk. We already affirm much more miraculous beliefs from The Quran and Sunnah such as birth without a father, making life from clay, bringing back the dead. This of course all done with the Permission of Allah Subhanhu wa Ta’ala as is everything even what we consider non miraculous everyday things

Now the style of the newer groups often makes them reject certain things, or show opposition to certain sensitive beliefs
for example there is a video made by Ahul Bidah circulating on the internet against the shia called ‘Imami airways’ This attacks and makes fun of the concept of travel by strange creatures however in Sunni Islam this is confirmed by Sahih Hadiths (Al-Bukhari)
An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Al-Buraq:

Now the people exposed to the presentation of Ahul Bidah, the video, those whose hearts make fun of the concept will show an element of Kufr (rejection) when they see Sahih Al-Bukhari

Now with regard to where these Bidahs are going, people who see these concepts as heretical, I have personally been told that ‘reverence’ of The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam is Shirk Astagfirullah. And I have personally been told that bending your neck down to kiss a preserved relic of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam is Shirk. and this is whats rising in the Ummah

…we are just 200 years or so from the formulation of this Bidah, where it will be when in another 100 years is any ones guess. It is gathering pace

Now to comment on the two beliefs mentioned in OP, i have never heard of the first belief, but I have heard of the second belief and I am sure it is a belief held by Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah of olde, of olde worlde Islam

Now some people might say you are like shias. The answer to that is yes in some ways we are. Many of the Sunni Ulema of this nation have been accused of being shias. Here is **Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal **Al-Barelvi Rehmatullah Alaih being approved of as sunni by Ahul Bidah. The Allegations are Shirk, Heresy, and Shiaism: Wrong concepts of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal …by ahlu tauheed of pakistan

This is their own presentation btw and not something made against them!

And since this thread has been used a staging post for attacks on Ahle Tasawwuf and the attacks have been associated with Shirk, one thing we can All agree on is Lanatullah e ahlal Kazibeen (Curse of Allah be upon the liars)

My pleasure

Peace vroom and

I am Deobandi and from the Ahl-u-tassuwwuf … Would you call me a Wahabi too?

[lethal_kamikaze]

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@vroom

As-salamu Alaikum,
With you asking these Questions on this forum, or most other forums, you will get answers mainly from the two rising groups, namely the deobandi and the salafi. From what I have seen in places where they sit together there is usually agreement, so to term both these groups as wahabi is correct in my opinion. It is not a good practice to have beliefs of Traditional Islam approved by these groups, as the answer would be very angry, in its undertones, and a derogatory response will be given regarding those sensitive beliefs

Peace vroom &

I wonder how you came to this conclusion that those who post their answers here are ‘Debonadi and Salafi’ and having an agreement. Furthermore, they are “Abdulwahabi” as per your opinion.

[vroom]

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@psyah

Peace vroom

I am Deobandi and from the Ahl-u-tassuwwuf … Would you call me a Wahabi too?

Peace

As it happens I do not even accept that you are a deobandi

@lethal_kamikaze

Peace vroom &

I wonder how you came to this conclusion that those who post their answers here are ‘Debonadi and Salafi’ and having an agreement. Furthermore, they are “Abdulwahabi” as per your opinion.

I never said ‘‘Abdulwahabi’’ what i said was wahabi straight up.

I came to that conclusion because anyone who answers those simple questions with a shirk allegation, and those who cheer lead such nonsense are from the Najdiyyah group of people

and this is common especially where those groups sit together

[Ibn_Sadique]

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@vroom

As-salamu Alaikum, I am surprised Ahle Tasawwuf is being attacked in this thread. Until someone bumped it, i wouldn’t have guessed what was happening here
Here is **Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal **Al-Barelvi Rehmatullah Alaih being approved of as sunni by Ahul Bidah. The Allegations are Shirk, Heresy, and Shiaism: Wrong concepts of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal …by ahlu tauheed of pakistan

This is their own presentation btw and not something made against them!
And since this thread has been used a staging post for attacks on Ahle Tasawwuf and the attacks have been associated with Shirk, one thing we can All agree on is Lanatullah e ahlal Kazibeen (Curse of Allah be upon the liars)

Wa’Alaykum Salaam vroom

First of all please don’t misrepresent anyone falsely.

You have erroneously put Al-Barelvi for Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahmullah) - Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal Al-Barelvi???

His full name is: Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal Abu `Abd Allah al-Shaybani (780–855). His life spanned between eighth and ninth century. He was not a follower of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi (1856–1921) who lived in nineteenth and twentieth century.

On what grounds have you changed the name of Imam Ahmadi Bin Hanbal and added Al-Barelvi to his name?

For you kind information most of the Gulf countries and Saudi Arabia follow Hanbali Fiqh. Top scholars from that area follow hanbali fiqh

I am listing a few of Hanbali scholars. I have highlighted some for your interest.

Abdul Qadir al-Jilani (d. 561A.H.) - A Hanbali jurist and Sufi based in Baghdad, patronym of the Qadiriyya order.

Taqi al-Din Ibn Taymiyah (d. 728A.H.) – A well-known figure in the Islamic history, known by his friends and foes for his expertise in all Islamic sciences. The second of two people referred to as “Shaykh al-Islām” within the school.

Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab - A leading Hanbali jurist and traditionist

Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz (d. 1999) - Former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia.

Ibn al-Uthaymeen (d. 1421A.H.) – A leading jurist, grammarian, linguist, and a popular preacher.

Abdullah Ibn Jibreen - A leading Scholar of Saudi Arabia and was a former member of the Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Fataawa in Saudi Arabia.

Saleh Al-Fawzan - A well known scholar in Saudi Arabia and prolific author. He is currently a member of the Permanent Committee.

Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais - The Imam of the Grand mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Saud Al-Shuraim - The Imam and khateeb of the Grand Mosque Mecca and a professor of Islamic law at Umm al-Qura University.

All agree on is Lanatullah e ahlal Kazibeen (Curse of Allah be upon the liars)

I second that

[vroom]

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@Ibn_Sadique

Wa’Alaykum Salaam vroom

First of all please don’t misrepresent anyone falsely.

You have erroneously put Al-Barelvi for Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahmullah) - Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal Al-Barelvi???

His full name is: Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal Abu `Abd Allah al-Shaybani (780–855). His life spanned between eighth and ninth century. He was not a follower of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi (1856–1921) who lived in nineteenth and twentieth century.

On what grounds have you changed the name of Imam Ahmadi Bin Hanbal and added Al-Barelvi to his name?

For you kind information most of the Gulf countries and Saudi Arabia follow Hanbali Fiqh. Top scholars from that area follow hanbali fiqh

I am listing a few of Hanbali scholars. I have highlighted some for your interest.

Abdul Qadir al-Jilani (d. 561A.H.) - A Hanbali jurist and Sufi based in Baghdad, patronym of the Qadiriyya order.

Taqi al-Din Ibn Taymiyah (d. 728A.H.) – A well-known figure in the Islamic history, known by his friends and foes for his expertise in all Islamic sciences. The second of two people referred to as “Shaykh al-Islām” within the school.

Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab - A leading Hanbali jurist and traditionist

Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz (d. 1999) - Former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia.

Ibn al-Uthaymeen (d. 1421A.H.) – A leading jurist, grammarian, linguist, and a popular preacher.

Abdullah Ibn Jibreen - A leading Scholar of Saudi Arabia and was a former member of the Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Fataawa in Saudi Arabia.

Saleh Al-Fawzan - A well known scholar in Saudi Arabia and prolific author. He is currently a member of the Permanent Committee.

Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais - The Imam of the Grand mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Saud Al-Shuraim - The Imam and khateeb of the Grand Mosque Mecca and a professor of Islamic law at Umm al-Qura University.

I second that

I put Al-Barelvi due the type of Allegations on him in the video. It was a lol but strangely enough he is an Imam of Barelvis

For those in Pakistan this is a video of Shaykh Asrar Rashid giving the background of his creed in a direct call to debate. a call which has stood years without anyone stepping forward

we can discuss Barelvis but i think we should discuss something with a more constricted scope for example ‘divine like beliefs’ of Ahle Tasawwuf, shirk related as was your claim.