I put Al-Barelvi due the type of Allegations on him in the video. It was a lol but strangely enough he is an Imam of Barelvis
Then you might as well keep sticking "Al-Barelvi"to Imam Abu Hanifah (rahmullah), Imam Shafii (rahmullah), Imam Malik (rahmullah), Imam Baqir (rahmullah) Imam Jaffar asSadiq (rahmullah) and Imam Abu Ja'far al-Tahawi(rahmullah) or any one that takes your fancy.
Please don’t stick your labels where they do not belong. The above named people are par excellence in every field and sticking “Al-Barelvi “to them is an insult to their stature. This is wrong from you.
I as a principle never enter into debates within Ahlul Sunnah – I am not a scholar. You can check my entire posts I have never entered into debates within Ahlul Sunnah. I don’t make my own opinions but follow scholars of repute who strictly stick to the Quran and Sunnah. I can tell only this that Tahir al Qadri is not one of them.
I don’t mind if you don’t agree with or dislike my views.
I will debate with Shia as it is within Islam and Ahmadis because they are undermining Islam.
My saying 'divine like beliefs’ was hinting at Shia (go check what Shia books say about 'how their imams were born' – I refrained from putting it here) and not people Tasawwuf – But Tasawwuf is misused a lot.
So sorry I decline your invitation with respect as I don't have the time and will to debate in matters I have no interest in.
Then you might as well keep sticking "Al-Barelvi"to Imam Abu Hanifah (rahmullah), Imam Shafii (rahmullah), Imam Malik (rahmullah), Imam Baqir (rahmullah) Imam Jaffar asSadiq (rahmullah) and Imam Abu Ja'far al-Tahawi(rahmullah) or any one that takes your fancy.
Please don’t stick your labels where they do not belong. The above named people are par excellence in every field and sticking “Al-Barelvi “to them is an insult to their stature. This is wrong from you.
I as a principle never enter into debates within Ahlul Sunnah – I am not a scholar. You can check my entire posts I have never entered into debates within Ahlul Sunnah. I don’t make my own opinions but follow scholars of repute who strictly stick to the Quran and Sunnah. I can tell only this that Tahir al Qadri is not one of them.
I don’t mind if you don’t agree with or dislike my views.
I will debate with Shia as it is within Islam and Ahmadis because they are undermining Islam.
My saying 'divine like beliefs’ was hinting at Shia (go check what Shia books say about 'how their imams were born' – I refrained from putting it here) and not people Tasawwuf – But Tasawwuf is misused a lot.
So sorry I decline your invitation with respect as I don't have the time and will to debate in matters I have no interest in.
Actually i will do that all those names you mentioned are barelvi, or Ahlus Sunnati wal Jamaah and they are more like us then you. Our Religion is based on their Rulings, and where there is disagreement we follow their rulings on things which are disagreed upon!
It's actually a bye product of following these imams that newer groups have a problem with us and we with them
The video of Takfir on Imam Ahmad Al-Barelvi Rehmatullah Alaih by ahlu Tawheed of Pakistan, is actually a good proof that he was like us
you clearly mentioned Sufis and the term extreme sufi is used to attack Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah. perhaps you thought cos its common to write these things it is a1 ok. but its not. You at best are just forwarding the Najdi movement as is common with 'debaters' who pry on shias and qadianis. the whole thing is done to forward the religion of the najdiyyah
Actually i will do that all those names you mentioned are barelvi,
:) I can't believe you mean what you wrote!
Extreme sufis are not Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah - the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) hated anything in extreme. Barelvism is just a school of thought confined to the sub-continent since last 100 years. As usual you are going off tracks - no response from me.
I never said ''Abdulwahabi'' what i said was wahabi straight up.
I came to that conclusion because anyone who answers those simple questions with a shirk allegation, and those who cheer lead such nonsense are from the Najdiyyah group of people
and this is common especially where those groups sit together
Peace vroom,
Do you even know who's name is "Wahab"? and who was 'Abdulwahab'?
Lets not waste our time on some thing that is not directly related to us, rather strive hard to follow sunnah of our beloved:saw2: . Many sunnah are forgotten now a days. like sunnah of miswak, sunnah of being the first to make salam and the sunnah of worrying about akhirat of others as well, making duas for the umma etc.
Sorrry bhaiyon, but i just wanted to give my point of view.
well i think you are coming from an understanding that the word Barelvi is definately a word signifying misguidance, but that is only due the propaganda spread by Ahul Bidah who are not themselves of the Ahul Sunnah Wal Jamaah. Nmaely the two groups mentioned earlier
I have had a similar opinion myself before i rooted a little deeper. Now I think the word Barelvi signifies the pinnacle of Ahlus Sunnah thought and is a form of purified Islam. Where-as the rival groups have some najis stuck to them, and this is serious because it is clear deviation that brings them into conflict with what The Messenger Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam and His Companions were upon.
Although you did not seem to get the earlier example of Imam Ahmad who those ahlu tauheed made similar allegations towards as they do towards us. Now just to show you a glimpse that we are Ahlus Sunnah, as you will be very apprehensive about this i know, i can share these selected bits of information
The basis of the Barelvi creed can be seen here, and i do recommend you listen to this. This video is actually teaching the basics of what Ahlus Sunnah should base their religion upon, the answer is of course on the Ahlus Sunnah: Introduction to Aqeedah - Mufti Zahid Hussain
This stops any flip flopping, it is there set as a knot, tight, bound to Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah without doubt! Bound to the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah, so this is the basis of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah
Now for a couple of examples:
The Barelvi understanding of Bidah is corroborated by Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah, whose view is corroborated by Imam Shafi Al-Barelvi Rehmatullah Alaih whose view is corroborated by The companions Radiallahu Anh and whose view is corroborated by The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam
Imam Shafi:
*“There are two types of Innovation [bid’ah]: the praiseworthy and the blameworthy. Whatever is accordance with the Sunnah is praiseworthy and whatever vies with it is blameworthy…The new matters are of two: Whatever differs with the book of Allah, the Sunnah, the Athaar, or the Ijmaa’a, then that is an innovation of misguidance [bid’at ul-Dalaalah] and whatever new matter from amongst that which is good and does not differ with anything from that [Qur’an, Sunnah, Athaar, Ijmaa’a] then it is a new matter that is not blameworthy”
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Others scholars have expounded on this even more
..And it is crystal clear to everyone that This is the view of Ahlus Sunnatti Wal jamaah, now the opposing side have a different concept. Without argueing about who is right or who is not it is crystal clear Barelvis are upon what the Ahlus Sunnah position is. Where-as the others are not upon what the Ahlus Sunnah are upon, they are actually in conflict with our understanding
Mawlid:
I can say Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah has Ijma on its permissibility. I am of the opinion anyone who forbids Mawlid is an innovator
Imam Bukhari:
I’ll post Tahir Ul Qadri again, he has many detractors within Ahlus Sunnah but he covers This fairly well:
Ahlus Sunnah do not tamper with the books nor overtake scholars of HIGHEST repute, in this case Imam Bukhari, in their own fields using a conman who doesnt even have ijaza to work on Hadiths
Graves:
Mullah Ali Qari Al-Barelvi (rah) writes in detail and gives perfect clarification by saying:
أما من اتخذ مسجدا في جوار صالح أو صلى في مقبرة وقصد الإستظهار بروحه أو وصول أثر ما من أثر عبادته إليه لا للتعظيم له والتوجه نحوه فلا حرج عليه ألا ترى أن مرقد إسماعيل عليه السلام في المسجد الحرام عند الحطيم ثم أن ذلك المسجد أفضل مكان يتحرى المصلى لصلاته والنهي عن الصلاة في المقابر مختص بالقبور المنبوشة لما فيها من النجاسة كذا ذكره الطيبي وذكر غيره أن صورة قبر إسماعيل عليه السلام في الحجر تحت الميزاب وإن في الحطيم بين الحجر الأسود وزمزم قبر سبعين نبيا
*Translation: Anyone who builds a mosque near the grave of an upright person or prays in the tomb (Maqbara) or intends to ask for help through the Ruh of that upright person or intends to seek barakah from his left overs, If he does all that without the intention of giving him Tazeem or doing tawajuh towards him ( in prayer) “Then there is nothing wrong in that, don’t you see that Grave of Hadrat Ismail(A.S) is inside the Masjid ul Harram near the hateem and to Pray there is Superior than anything else ” however to pray near the graves is only forbidden when the soil becomes dirty because of Najasat of deceased… In the Hateem near Hajr al Aswad and Mizaab there are “Graves of 70 Prophets” [Mirqat, Sharh al Mishqaat, Volume No. 2, Page No. 202]
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Imam Nawawi Al-Barelvi Rehmatullah Alaih (I think it is because of the following of this Imam that we disallow the touching of graves) Non Sunnis have published this book after tampering with this statement :
*“Section: The Visit to the Tomb of the Messenger of Allah (Allah Bless Him and Give Him Peace), and the Remembrances of Allah Made There”
Know that everyone who performs the hajj should set out to visit the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace), whether it is on one’s way or not, for visiting him (Allah bless him and give him peace) is one of the most important acts of worship, the most rewarded of efforts, and best of goals.
When one sets out to perform the visit, one should do much of the blessings and peace upon him (Allah bless him and give him peace) on the way. And when one’s eye falls on the trees of Medina, and its sanctum and landmarks, one should increase saying the blessings and peace upon the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), asking Allah Most High to benefit one by one’s visit to him (Allah bless him and give him peace), and grant one felicity in this world and the next through it. One should say, “O Allah, open for me the doors of Your mercy, and bestow upon me, through the visit to the tomb of Your prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), that which You have bestowed upon Your friends, those who obey You. Forgive me and show me mercy, O Best of Those Asked” (al-Adhkar al-Nawawiyya, 283–84).*
This is ALL AHLUS SUNNATTI Wal Jamaah Central! It should be born in mind that Sheikh An-Najdi made allegations of Shirk on Majority of Muslims and claimed nobody knew tauheed before him. Well he is welcome to his view but we can all see who is Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah from his statement, AND IT IS US.
Further proofs we are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah
(quotes taken from salafi fatwa site):
“Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about a stranger who comes to the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) each day. He said, ‘That is not right,’ and quoted the hadeeth, ‘O Allaah, do not make my grave an idol that is worshipped.’”
Imam Malik Al-Barelvi said dont do it everyday
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Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad was asked about people of Madeenah who stand by the grave one or more times a day, and they send salaams and make du’aa’ for a while. He said, “I have not heard of this from any of the fuqaha’, and nothing is good for the latter generations of this ummah except that which was good for its first generations. I have not heard that any of the first generations of the ummah used to do that.”
When the era of Qadi Iyaad Al-Barelvi came he said dont do it all the time, everyday
These quotes provide an excellent insight into how some Hadiths have been interpreted BY AHLUS SUNNAH
Although we are not the only group to belong to Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah, there are other low key societies (majority), we are certainly one of them. The pinnacle among our people of Knowledge is possibly the pinnacle of Ahlus Sunnah Islam.
its not they its me, its a personal touch, a confidence
And what The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam brought to the world in its correct interpretation is what Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah is upon, among the groups of Ahlus Sunnah is Barelvi
well we are not 100 years old, our History goes back to The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam, and Adam Salam Alaih and The Light
I know Ahul Bidah groups who are 100 and 200 years old beyond that they do not have a history, but they wait till they have received upto 400 fatwas of kufr from Ahlus Sunnah before taking an imam on that’s bad enough. At times they get lucky and get 4 or 5 at the same time. That’s the sort of stuff which differentiates
Dude, Respect for People and Knowledge aside, Stop using the word Brelvi. Its just a name of the Place, Nothing More, It DOES NOT define our Aqeeda etc.
For example. Prophet SAW Makki and Madani because of these two places He lived at. Where does it anywhere say that This is a Aqeeda thing? So get off our high horse and go to google maps and find Breli. am Sure Google will agree that its a name of a place.
** If a Name of a place was to be used as an Aqeeda point then the Sahaba would have added Makki or Madani next to their names...did they ? did they ? NO**
I don't get it. What's wrong with having a period?
I didnt comment on this topic coos no one takes your seriously..
I ve personally in my last 12 years of studies not come across this and never have i heard this.. let along be it true or false. So to my understanding ..someone just made this one up..
however in regards to the Holy Prophet SAW. I have come across of Scholars mentioned that he was already circumcised. I will try to Find the Hadith. It could very well be possible since he is the Prophet Of Allah, and Allah Almighty wanted to protect the Privacy of The Prophet SAW be it in childhood or youth.
