Good Job Pakpatriot1, good to see someone with a little common sense.
The thing is that these Islamists have been brainwashed, many thanks is do to Pakistani books that teach their flaw linages etc. etc. For them its like Pakistan never was a part of India, though if you go from Karachi to Mumbai, you can hardly tell the difference. Same Mosques, same music, same food, same bollywood billboards over the cities, same language of communication!!!! In fact many Pakistanis speak "HINDI" rather then "URDU". Those who are educated speak Urdu, you can tell by their wording, though majority of Pakistanis speak Hindi, thanks to Amitab Bachan and likes.
Men marrying 4 wives is also exploitation, a big one at that.
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+ Its called BHARAT Natyam, and kathak dance. The name says it all.
I am not sure which part of Pakistan does PaKpatriot1 belong to? NWFP? Sindh? Punjab? Baluchistan, Kashmir???? I never saw such a dance even existed in Pakistani society. Maybe this is the mujra, tawaif, kotha and the heera madi type of society - an evil , dark part of our society that has to be booted out with full force + all its supporters!!!
I call all forms of such dances, exploitation of women, and their use as toys. This is not how respectable women look and act like. She belongs to India and thats where her shows would be in demand.
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There are two Indias, the India which is a country, and India that is a culture. Im not saying we belong to India the country.
We belong to India the culture1
Pakistan does not have its own culture, it is a mix of all kinds of cultures just like the rest of the Indian subcontinent. This great melting pot of cultures that includes Persian, Arab, Indian, Afghan, even British is what we call the Indian culture.
Just simply saying were Pakistanis is meaningless, because Pakistan is a country not a culture.
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What more can I say? Maybe you have never been to the Pakistan outside the city of Karachi.
It may be hard to understand for you. Islam is a culture in itself. It has certain rules, laws and norms. Their is an Islamic way of thinking that defines a Muslim's character. The problem is that these days people have just become Muslims by name or Muslims because they were born in a Muslim home.
Your culture may be very Indian. You may love their movies and their way of dressing and food. That is what you are. I am not. I have nothing in common with Indians, nor do the people I know. From a wedding to somebody's death, nothing that I experience is similar to the Hindu cultrure. Actually it is a difference between the Islamic culture and the Hindu culture. Both are worlds apart.
The choice is yours- Hinduism or complete way of life of Islam. But for that you have to sincerely think about opening the Quran and reading and understanding it. Nobody will live in this world forever. It is what we take forward -our deeds and the way we lead our lives. Consider this my last answer. Realize what great message we have as Muslims - the Quran and the Sunnah.
we reject any culture that has its origins in pagan religion and we deny being part of it. we only follow that which is islam or that conforms to its laws. and you said stop celebrating basant? well i am all for that. its kafir festival and we seek refuge with allah from celebrating it. and musical instruments? oh my, we agree so much, yeah all musical instruments are haram too, we should destroy them.
but the zero..well zero is part of mathematics and mathematics is natural. if hindus had not discovered it, some one else might have. dont live in your dreams that if it was not for hindus we wouldnt have zero. it was bound to be discovered because all basic mathamatics depends on it. and besides things invented by kafirs are not haram if they perform halal operations, and likewise things invented by muslims are not halal if they perform haram operations.
but in the end, that dance might be part of our culture in the past, but i dont find honor in it, nor do i even consider part of my lineage. muslims and hindus are not the same, and can never be.
I tend to see both sides of the picture on this one. Whereas we are definitely culturally and religiously different from Indians owing to the very specific influence of a group of largely religiously-homogenous people living together over time has on the culture of that place. our culture, almost every part of it is tinged with, shaped, limited by our specific religious norms. our cultural notions of honour for example, are inevitably motivated by an exagerrated religious abhorrence of promiscuity that is not shared by those across the border.
but then, our culture is not divorced from the countries on any side of our borders. we share a great deal with afghanistan, iran and india simply because cultural trends arent spikes, but smooth curves over the landscape. thereby some cultural similarities might be expected. even within pakistan, theres a number of transitioning ethnicities between bordering areas like punjab and nwfp, like punjab and sindh.
and the language similarity is overrated. i get so annoyed with indian hindi at times because of the need to decipher the meaning of everything from context. likewise they dont understand a lot of what i say unless i reconfigure my sentence.
ofcourse then theres the fact that "Indian" culture is a misnomer itself, given that cultural features are very different across different parts of (pre and post partition) India.
For this particular dancer, I guess very niche groups would be appreciative of what she does. I guess Shazia Khushk is probably much more representative of Pakistani culture than sheema kirmani. Most of these dances harken back to courtesans of Mughal emperor days.. so in a sense they do represent Muslim India.. but not necessarily ones that Muslim ladies would like to remember or relive.
Well, what is pakistani culture then, if its not Indian culture or if its not Arab culture. Can those who advocate that Pakistani culture is unique tell me of those defining characteristics you wont find in other cultures?
Ptv’s musical programme Dunya Meri Jawan Hai: Timeless Film Songs, though quite informative, struck a discordant note when it confined itself to Muslim singers.
In fact, its sub-title A tribute to the legendary female Muslim singers of the subcontinent, which appeared on the screen and the ads in newspapers, made this odd claim quite clear. Now the question: are we witnessing a partition of music as well?
It’s about time PTV realized that Urdu/Hindi film music, like Hindustani classical music, which stretches from Kashmir to Maharashtra and Bengal, has thrived on the talents of singers from not just Muslims and Hindus but also others such as lyricist Gulzar, composer Robin Ghosh and singer Salim Raza.
Gulzar is a Sikh while the last two are Christian. Does it mean that the sequel to this programme - the one on male singers - will not include Salim Raza, whose contribution to Pakistani film music in the '50s and early '60s was highly commendable?
Music lovers in Pakistan enjoy the songs of Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhosle as much as their counterparts in India love Noor Jahan and Mehdi Hasan, which is why one can say that music like literature and other art forms cuts across all communal and geographical boundaries.
The minister for information ought to stop this programme because it is going to run for weeks and will continue to give a communal colouring to film music.
btw for those who've asked what is PAKISTANI culture
guys
we mashallah have a very rich cultural heritage, each province/region has a distinct and rich culture, from language to dress to food and lifestyle and cultural traditions
sindh has its own culture, siraiki belt has its own culture, punjab has it own culture, kashmir has its own culture, northern areas/sarhad its own, balochistan, and makran their own culture
we've got such a rich culture mashallah, its beautiful, healthy and decent
and stuff like whats been shown in this picture is NOT our culture!
jeeeez chillll man…
maybe it’s not paki culture, but i dont’ find classical dance immoral or offensive…heck it’s better than the american hip hop bullisht out there, or the bollywood dances in most movies nowadays
irem. are u defining pakistani culture according to the provinces that are within pakistan's borders? That's a sore mistake. Pakistan was made for muslims of the south asian continent - including gujratis, rajasthanis, south indians, bengalis, urdu-speaking (north indians), etc.
That is why I ask again, what are the defining features of Pakistani culture that would set it apart from all other countries?
ISL, cultures have a tendency to change with time, a lot of ppl will argue that Islam is not a culture. Khair, that’s just a side comment.
“this is not Pakistani culture :/
but sadly, switch the TV on these days and on every channel u'll see stuff like this and even worse”
:D Then what is culture? Something, a vision maybe, that’s only part of our fantasies? When something is widely accepted don’t you think it be comes part of the culture. Have you been to a wedding in Pak lately, did you see ppl dancing, from kids to grown ups? It may or may not be liked by some, but it surely is part of the culture now. As it’s socially accepted norm, hence part of the culture.
Dances has always been part of our Pakistani culture as we’ve always had heera mandi, place that has been visited by the most learned to illiterate, rich and poor alike. Good or bad is another discussion.
Maybe you guys should start from one end and try understanding what ‘culture’ means and the difference between that and religions. Phir move on to define what should and shouldn’t be part of it.
If it has become part of our culture than its hard for me to think that Pakistan should remain as a separate state. THERE IS JUST NO NEED FOR PAKISTAN ANYMORE. WE MADE A BIG MISTAKE IN 1947!
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If it has become part of our culture than its hard for me to think that Pakistan should remain as a separate state. THERE IS JUST NO NEED FOR PAKISTAN ANYMORE. WE MADE A BIG MISTAKE IN 1947!
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