Re: Is this how people speak Urdu/English in Pakistan…
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Like I mentioned before by not having urdu words for certain things ppl slowly make a habit to use englsih instead, specially when those words r scientific/technology related there is so much more phsychological presure & ppl assume who dont use english words are un-educated, hence they try to use english words more.
Furthermore, this transformation of words is not new, there r hundreds of other words in every language that r taken from other languages. For e.g. actual urdu word for “mother in law” is “khush daman” but how many of use that? the word instead used is “saas” which is a persian word meaning a “blood sucking bug”, an Hindi word is “sasu”. But these words go un-noticed, while words from english does not, prolly two of the reasons could be, they r more prominent to identify or maybe we r still under west influence & need our freedom.
U think it is, they think it is not, they have a right to think as they like, u cant call them ridiculous for what they think.
Although i have my diffrences from most of the TV shows these days, prolly the reason is the moderen youth in charge of such industry who is mostly unfamiliar with the arts, literature & culture & is more interested in buisness, fashion & west. Prolly the chef u r talking about is from some high class 5 star hotel etc hence u can see his attitude has become to adjust in his environment there.
But then again, if u think just to entertain few ppl who r aboard he should speak in urdu & not his own way is void. As u have a right to do things as u like, he has the same, he is a expert in cooking not in talking.
Dont compare elephant with a rabbit, they r diffrent & have diffrent qualities & flaws. The languages u mentioned r either rich in scientific research or economically. Urdu is rich in neither. In one of the survey few years back, if u translate all of the scientific journals in urdu it will cost as much as the whole budget of kuwait, can we afford it? No. We cant. Whats is the alternative? learn their language & adopt the words. If there was a research, their would be words that we were inventing, that too is not the case.
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Sadiyah how will u explain this use of ADD in ur preferred sentence u should have written “shamil” .. but why u used it … answer this n i think u’ll get all ur answers…
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Shikra Nick U Ka Hona Chahiye Tha :biggthumb
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TO JONYBR/ AHMAD FARAZ
"urdu never had a culture in indo/pak. It came in existence bcos of the diffrences of hindu/muslim, it grew in some poets poetry or in the "Khotha's" in india."
First of all, its an oxymoron to say the very least. ‘Never had a culture in indo-pak’ and ‘came into existence because of hindu-muslim differences’ are contradictory phrases.
And what EXACTLY is the meaning of urdu never had a culture in indo-pak??? And saying that it CAME INTO EXISTENCE because of the hindu-muslim differences is the most absurd thing I have heard in years. Even a school kid has better knowledge. If by language you mean only script then Punjabi, Pashto etc wouldn’t even qualify as languages.
The great Urdu poets wrote their works in the time when Muslims and Hindus lived together and most rulers were the Muslims. So 1947 or 1857 has got nothing to do with coming into existence of Urdu.
Leave history for a while and talk about present. Urdu is my first language and the language of tens of thousands more like me. Our previous neighbours and now our family friends, they were Punjabi but only the parents knew Punjabi. The kids spoke only Urdu and English. And I know several such families, indirectly.
"The reason why urdu is not completly wiped away is bcos most of the population is still uneducated & for them the bridge language is still urdu."
This is really sick. You are saying that only the uneducated speak Urdu and if we get all of our people educated we will be able to ‘wipe away’ Urdu. And then do what? Start speaking English??? This is assuming that acquiring education equals to knowing English. Lets do just that to your sentence:
“…urdu is not completely wiped away bcos most of the population still do not know English...” (uneducated=does not know English).
Priceless!!! This is exactly why people speak or do not speak a language – because they know it or they don’t.
I live in Pakistan and the best Urdu I hear is from the most educated persons. The uneducated can hardly come up with two flawless sentences in pure Urdu!
"…Urdu was "imposed" on us as a "bridge" language…"
Bridge is something that is required, needed, necessary. How can it be imposed? You correctly say “one global language was required” .
If we want to ‘wipe away’ any language, why not the local languages? After all it’s the rational thing to do since Urdu is ‘required’ and most of us know Urdu. Then we won’t have to bother to teach our children any other local language! But if you want to keep local languages I think Urdu is a better common medium than English because Urdu is much closer to the local languages than English. And because of that Urdu would survive.
Besides, the works of Ghalib are enough to keep the language alive for another hundred years (same thing applies to sindhi and Punjabi with great works of some of the bhitai and bullay shah). Urdu and Hindi are almost identical languages when spoken. These would survive because of each other. If you listen to bollywood songs you would notice that they use more Urdu words and hardly any hindi-specific words which are more common in their dialogues. Also, I read in ‘Dawn’ or heard on TV that Indian singers are advised to read Urdu works to improve their pronunciation and skills.
I agree with you when you say that “languages that lack the sceintific research r soon forgotton”. But its not just about scientific research. We as a nation lag behind the English speaking nations in almost everything and hence our language lags behind too as the new words or scientific words are invented in their language. And like Sadiyah says its ok to use ‘microwave’ in Urdu. How would you translate ‘kabab’ in English? Or ‘jalaiby’? or ‘paratha’?
I hope you dont ban me for saying all this ;)
TO SADIYAH
“…I would understand if someone who has been born and raised abroad speaks Urdu like that. What bothers me is local Pakistanis mixing up Urdu and English together to look "cool"…”
If you think its ok for those raised abroad how can it bother you when Paki-born-and-raised speak like that??? If we read, write and hear so much of English, its only natural that we mix it up with Urdu, which is our first language and which we can never give up. 'mujhay chair la do’ is acceptable to me. I am not a raised-abroad paki and I speak urdu more comfortably than englilsh yet its natural to me to speak English words in between even when I am speaking urdu. So we don’t speak like that to look ‘cool’ or something. Because otherwise, I can also say that you raised-abroad Pakis think you are somehow superior to us and you get frustrated when we ‘local pakis’ speak like you.
But I assume this is not the case with you atleast. And I know what you mean by some people ‘having a complex’ and ‘looking like retards’. Believe me I am with you on this one and against all those who show off, got some complex (either type) and are apologetic muslims / pakis. And I believe it is those type of people that you angry at. Not all pakis who speak like that.
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WELL THERE PARENTS ARE NOT ENGLISH THATS WHY THEY SPEAKS IN PAKISTANI ACSENT…
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JonyBr, I'm not speaking about research and technology and the lack of words Urdu language may be experiencing (which I don't think is the case anyway). I'm speaking about the attitude many hold that speaking in English is somehow 'cool' and makes one look educated, whereas speaking in Urdu is for the illiterate. I'm purely speaking about the mindset here. There's an obvious difference when someone purposely tries hard to throw in words of English just to prove that they are all that, whereas those who involuntarily borrow words from English vocabulary to get their point across.
bilalsohaib, I only used it as an example. Throwing a few words of English here and there involuntarily is totally different from purposely trying extra hard to throw in words from English language. There's an obvious difference between the two.
Spid3rmAn, suggesting that those living abroad think superior of themselves is not true. For instance, many of my cousins were born and raised abroad. They can't pronounce certain letters no how hard they try, yet they make an effort to constantly speak in Urdu. That act alone is commendable.
Wran Alak, I wasn't referring to the accent. I was referring to the fact that many purposely try extra hard to throw in a few words of English or try to speak in English when they can easily get their message across in Urdu.
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oh God ... I was gonna reply but there is enf long posts in here that I should keep my beak shut.
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Sadiyah
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I'm speaking about the attitude many hold that speaking in English is somehow 'cool' and makes one look educated, whereas speaking in Urdu is for the illiterate. I'm purely speaking about the mindset here.
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I fully agree, Sadiyah.
Sadiyah
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suggesting that those living abroad think superior of themselves is not true.
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Please read again what i posted. I wrote:
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So we don’t speak like that to look ‘cool’ or something. Because otherwise, I can also say that you raised-abroad Pakis think you are somehow superior to us and you get frustrated when we ‘local pakis’ speak like you.
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It was sort of conditional and you were excluded from it anyways. And how can you speak on behalf of all raised-abroads? How can you say that its not true that they consider themselves superior? I know for a fact that many do.
Let me just tell you one more thing. Like I said that i agree that the mindset that speaking Urdu (or any other local language for that matter) is for the illiterates is what we have to fight agaisnt. But we cant just object to all those trying to speak in English and dont know much of it. Because that is the only way for them to learn the language. Knowing English is essential for several reasons. Before, when I was a kid, I also used to think if someone does know English there is no need for him/her to speak in English. But now I am very clear on this.
You say that your cuzins
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They can't pronounce certain letters no how hard they try, yet they make an effort to constantly speak in Urdu. That act alone is commendable.
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So if you appreciate your cousins trying to speak in Urdu, you should also appreciate those pakis who are trying to speak in English. If both can't speak a language correctly then how come only pakis speaking English incorrectly or mixing english words with Urdu is something that you despise??? Raised-abroad pakis' incorrect Urdu and mixing up of English with Urdu is exactly the same thing.
So please dont be judgemental. The words of your topic suggest that you are stereotyping the pakis: "Is this how people speak Urdu/English in Pakistan...". Not ALL pakis have that mindset. and not ALL attempts to mix English with Urdu are bad. and not ALL those who are trying to speak in English and speak incorrectly should be discouraged.
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Bhai aik zuban main musalsal baat karte rehna kitna mushkil kam hay koi hum se pochay.