Is this an honor killing?

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Girl kills father, brother over affair | DAWN.COM

hmmm?

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Nope.

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Is there ever honour in killing when it's not related to justice (and actually many times, even then)?

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Not sure if the father or brother deserved it, but some could do with a taste of their own medicine..

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Sehrysh what element of justice is ever present in an "honor killing". Honor killings are extra-judicial murders. No justice at all in it.

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I don't think it can be classed as an honor killing....

She is 14yrs old!!!! She wanted elope?? At 14?? Are you even allowed to get married at that age???

I dnt agree with the caste system..and I do not agree with what she did, I don't think her family deserved this....

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Okay why can't this be classified as an honor killing? I am just wondering. The only stark difference is that a woman killed a man that is all. Otherwise all the elements are the same.

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Bcoz they are not muslims... PEROID...

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If you look at it this way then yes, it is an honor killing....

I am just looking at it the way ppl normally look at it which is killing someone who brings dishonor to a family or religion...if her father/mother killed her I would think of it as an honor killing...maybe am just looking at it the wrong way :/

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Exactly my point. The only element that changed is that the woman is not a victim so its not an honor killing. Its all about gender based stereotypes and pigeon holing the idea that only women can be victims and never the ones committing the crimes.

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But why this obsession to term this as a honor killing. Is somebody keeping score. It was a heinous crime. End of story.

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The obsession is that certain elements of society have deemed it a Muslim only trait specifically carried out by one gender against another. I have a general abhorrence for stupidity and hypocrisy. Thus the thread.

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I agree with you CM and even that PrincessJ's post. Honour is not just about family it can be done by anyone like this girl or someones jilted lover and yes gender doesnt have to be male or muslim. Some dont like others pointing out the truth so attack people like that post by PJ. Sad really, society needs to stop the double standards.

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Men being gender-stereotyped is such a pressing issue in the world today. If this is parody I like it. If it's unintentional parody I love it.

Tbh, it doesn't sound like an honor killing. Seems AFP is trying to word it in a way to make for interesting reading. I can find you stories that fit the point you're trying to make, but this one doesn't apply. Honor victims die because their actions bring perceived shame to an individual/family/society. This is a would-be honor killing candidate committing patricide/fratricide. The difference isn't just gender, it's also motive. She didn't kill them to redeem her honor (like you would a rapist), she killed them because they were an obstacle to her marriage to a Dalit (shameful act).

Take heart, the definition of an honor killing victim doesn't exclude men. They're often killed along with the women (or men ;)) they're involved with. Statistically the majority of victims are female, because "honor" resides in the bodies/perceived reputations of women (incidentally the bottom-line of most hit Pakistani dramas).

Speaking of gender-stereotypes, take the term man-slut and man-whore. Why do we have to qualify that the whore is male? Because whoredom is a state natural to women, of course. After I pointed this out to my male friends, they started calling each other whores, no hyphens added. The turnaround was endearing, really.

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Big difference. The girl was intimidated by family. Her boy friend was beaten up- a criminal act. One can reasonably conclude her family threatened worse.

Wonder what the noyfriends age is. 14 is too young.

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Above was in response to post 7

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That's what I said, sort of...

I just find the very term "honour killing" to be a misnomer - where is the honour in the taking of another human life?

Personally, I even struggle with the idea of capital punishment.

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It's not honour killing. How hard is that to understand?

The girl killed her pa and bro because she went all vigilante on them to sleep with her lover, not because they were bringing shame to her family's honour. And yes, there are some male victims of honour killing as well.

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she killed them over HER affair.

honor killing--when the victim is having (or perceived to be having) an affair of their own with someone.

THats my definition of honor killing....which chaibiskut explained perfectly.

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That's a very good question.

  1. Probably because it's a crime that "doesn't/shouldn't happen here", i.e. in the West, among the majority population...or at least the population that definess the normative culture. And so this is a perfect opportunity to look down on others. Sure, killings are bad, but honor killings are baaaaad. We all do it... but on the surface you're right...honor killing here, maniacal canibal-mass murderers here. It all balances out I suppose, but
  2. The perceived idea that there is sanction for these crimes, even if through silence. Yes, that is nonsense, but to those exposed to a tradition where the only way to deal with such problems is to speak out, it must be a fustrating clash to deal with a culture where historically the way to deal with it is to remain distant. The fact is, in some cultures silence is condemnation, not approval. Otherwise, you'd have a chorus praising the actions...so there's a culture clash on how to deal with the issue. It keeps the issue burning.
  3. Many people hate patriarchal cultures. Honor killings provide perfect fodder, or "spin", against this kind of social getup. The idea here is to discredit it. Nothing like 'sanctioned murder' to help push the point.