- hello hello: 1)the hadith is right and had been given in a jovial manner
“Jovial manner” means it was said as a humor, as Prophet pbuh did not mean it. *
Ibrahim says; Oh ! you mean the rest of the contents together with the instruction on how the problem was to be solved becomes a JOKE because I said it was conveyed in a Jovial manner?
Jovial manner and Joke are two different things
Read!
joke \"jÖk\ noun
1 a : something said or done to provoke laughter; esp : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist
2
b (1) : the humorous or ridiculous element in something
(2) : an instance of jesting : KIDDING
c : PRACTICAL JOKE
d : LAUGHINGSTOCK
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NOW COMPARE
jovial adjective (1592)
1 cap : of or relating to Jove
2 : markedly good-humored esp. as evidenced by jollity and conviviality syn see MERRY
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*Ibrahim says: Now it is apparent that YOUR original INTENTION IS TO CAST DOUBTS ON THE HADITHS AND NOT a matter that you wished to clarify in this forum . which means that NO matter what you will be twisting and turning the issue until you have it your way. *
- hello hello: 2) IT meant that she should inform Abu Hudhaifa that she considers him like her foster son and he has nothing to feel annoyed about. . “she should inform”
means exactly what it sounds , inform only.. *
Ibrahim says; Did my reply to you concerning this obvious error on my part was rejected on account of what?
Did I not tell you clearly that when you quoted the hadith No 3424 , I only gave you an answer on the basis of that hadith and DID NOT LOOK AT THE OTHER HADITHS ( which are 3424 T0 3430) …you mean since I did not look at the other hadiths on this subject I am guilty?? or is it you who have been trying to deceive others by NOT mentioning all of them in order to trick people into making mistakes concerning them?
- hello hello: 3) how she was to obtain some milk from her person
Now it is little more than just inform, she was suppose to obtain milk from her person. *
Ibrahim says; so you would like to keep twisting until you win, right ?? I gave you both how I understood it on the basis of that hadith (3424 only without any knowledge about 3425 to 3430 which also had information relating to this matter) as well as the commentary on MY VERY FIRST REPLY TO YOU, tell me why you are trying to make a mockery of yourself by twisting them to suit your purpose??
- hello hello: 4) it was specific to the case of salim who was the freed slave of Abu hudhaifa.
means It was made Halal for Abu hudaifa. *
Ibrahim says; sheez!!! what was made halal for Abu hudhaifa??
- hello hello: 5) This does not mean that we should do this If we want to make any grown up man a foster child.
Means we should not do this. It was a BAD act may be? *
Ibrahim says; it means it was ONLY for that particular case which was NOT ABOUT FOSTERING MAN, BUT ABOUT REMOVING THE DISGUST THAT ABU HUDHAIFA WAS HAVING TOWARDS SALIM and such cases would not be repeated exactly as they are written....do you think you will have some capacity to understand this by USING your brains??
- hello hello: 6) If you are facing this situation or know someone who does. by all means go ahead and suckle that man without breaking the Islamic rules
What??? You just said we should not do this, now "doing this" won’t break Islamic rules. *
Ibrahim says’ You are showing your true colors now, aren’t you? and it smells bad…since I have made it clear to you that you can do this “only” IF you have that identical problem, which that hadith relates to WITHOUT BREAKING ISLAMIC RULES ( since you insisted that it was approved for all) and now you turn around an make a fool of yourself by twisting them?
MY EARLIER REPLY BEFORE YOUR SPLICE JOB ON IT was written in this form:-
- Ibrahim says: Oh ! are you also having a slave child that grew up in your family who was accepted by you ( when he was a child) and after having matured was disliked (out of jealousy) in your wife presence??
(assuming your wife too had got around him well when he was a child and would not be able to dislike him just because he had grown up to be a man)
If you are facing this situation or know someone who does. by all means go ahead and suckle that man without breaking the Islamic rules that forbids a woman to expose herself.(other than to her husband) *
I GUESS YOU NEEDED TO FOOL OTHERS BUT ENDED UP MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF!!
- hello hello: Quote******do me a favor just use my name as is, without adding to it. My name is Ibrahim Not Ibrahim bahai.
I was only trying to give you some respect, But I guess you are not used to it or do not deserve it may be…*
Ibrahim say: Oh really! you should learn to respect the TRUTH more by behaving yourself , not making a mockery of yourself by writing things which you do not understand.
- hello hello: Quote****Firstly where does it (the hadith or my explanation) tell you that it was a joke??
I am not an English scholor but I think Jovial means “with humor”. You said “the hadith is right and had been given in a jovial manner”
Ibrahim says; Hey ! here you go again, JOKE and Jovial manner are two different things ( read again above)…learn what you don’t know DON’T make a fool of yourself because you have been proved in error .
- hello hello: Quote*****Second Whatever revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) by Allah (swt) becomes revelation and becomes part of the Qur’an *
Not true!!! There are many Hadees e Qudsi that are not part of the quran but were revealed by Allah. *
Ibrahim says; Hence according to you hadith Qudsi are the words of Allah (swt) (revelations) to mankind which failed to be part of the Qur’an ??
it becomes obvious that you are acting as a Shia trying to discount the hadiths and your ONLY intention for starting this thread was to malign the hadiths.
** But in truth you can be a non believer trying to imitate a shia, so that you can cause mischief on this forum. I guess the moderators need to check your IP to ensure that you are not trying to deceive the participants of this forum. **
- hello hello: Quote****……NOTE NO1905 (printed at the bottom of that page) reads: “What the Prophet (pbuh) meant was that somehow she should take out a bit of her milk and administer it to him and thus foster him
This is only the interpration of sahih muslim . *
Ibrahim says’ Oh , so you know for a fact that this was added by sahih Muslim? Tell us by whose authority you have come to conclude as such?
Now it become obvious that, earlier you denied any knowledge of this commentary and went on to claim ** NO SUCH THING WAS QUOTED IN THAT PAGE!! ** now you claim it is there, why the need to hide it or LIE, earlier??
- hello hello: You said” The A'Hadeeth in question is very clear in it's authenticity and it's meaning”. Why interpret it any different way????? *
Ibrahim says; can you tell me where I wrote this???
- hello hello: Quote****….you are NOT trying to understand what the hadiths conveys but trying to insinuate that the hadith is an error or the Prophet (pbuh) was unwise in saying such things.
(NB), again you are making it up, the whole argument is that My Rasool pbuh did not say anything like that, This is a false hadees in an authentic book of yours. *
Ibrahim says; hmm..this hadith becomes false because YOU LACK THE SENSES TO UNDERSTAND ITS MEANINGS or it becomes false because you do not like it as such??
TELL US !! SINCE IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE LYING AND HAVE THE NERVE TO TELL US IT WAS NOT conveyed as such by the Prophet (pbuh) by your own assertion without any proof that can be verified as such .
Devoted to truth
Ibrahim
** The tricks of the liars tie them into knots. **