The extent some people will go to justify made up hadiths.
Never seizes to amaze me.
Hmmm, so anytime a married woman wants to show that there is nothing between her and some other guy, she should just give him some of her milk.
Interesting.
Is this still practised ?
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Originally posted by sholay:
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Hello
The Prophet PBUH only spoke what Allah ordained and ordered concerning the revelation of the Qur'aan!!
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Such poor understanding of the ayat.
Can you explain from the qur'an where it says that the wahi the holy prophet (pbuh) received was limited to the revelation of the qur'an ?
Such dastardly interpretations are only meant to show that at other times, the holy prophet (pbuh), like regular people, was fallible.
Shame.
A1shah & Co
So what you are actually saying is that A'Hadeeth is also Divine Revelation!
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Originally posted by a1shah:
**Hmmm, so anytime a married woman wants to show that there is nothing between her and some other guy, she should just give him some of her milk.
Interesting.
Is this still practised ?
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Ibrahim says; a1shah,
can you tell me where in that batch of hadiths such a thing is being instructed? ??
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Originally posted by a1shah:
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Shame.**
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Shame on those who have poor believe and trust in ISLAM but are ready to accept other historical facts so easily(from romans to ww I, ww II, etc til now.). They wouldn't even care about proof, coz media is enough!!
Your sad.
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
okay my final words about this hadeeth.
This hadeeth must be discarded as 'weak' and 'contradicting'. If any of you remember Moulana Yusuf Ludhyanwi who used to answer questions every Friday on Urdu newspaper "Jang" and was martyred perhaps last year.
He once gave fatwa / decree on this issue. Someone asked him that by mistake he used his wife's milk (because of overflow it was stored in a container) for tea, question was: did this act of drinking wife's milk voided/terminated nikah?
Moulana Yusuf Ludhyanwi asnwer:
NO. 'razaat'/'breast milk nursing' is only for first two years of a human life, after that it is "HARAM" for ANYONE to drink a woman's milk by anymeans.
This is from "Hanafi" point of view, I don't know about Shafi'i, Malki and Hanbali perspectives.
So, this is hadith is not true/valid to me.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Changez_like: okay my final words about this hadeeth. This hadeeth must be discarded as 'weak' and 'contradicting'.
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Ibrahim says: salaams to all.
I guess your problem is that you have yet to understand the hadith, just like the pervert who started this thread.
The perverts are trying to tell us this hadith is about any grown man being given a “new status” ie by drinking some milk he can become a foster child. Which is not the case.
The hadith is Not about such a matter but a prescription for a particular problem that one household had.
** The problem was : **
1) The husband got disgusted when he saw his own freed slave growing up to be a man in the company of his wife and himself.
** The solution was : **
He should be considered like a “foster child” , that would mean he can be present amongst them.
** The remedy was: **
Since the wife brought this complaint to the Prophet ** in order to remove this feeling her husband was having towards that freed slave, ** the Prophet advised her to give him, some milk (her own milk) .
When this was conveyed the woman apparently got surprised since this was misconceived that she had to expose herself, which made her ask again by telling the Prophet he was already a man, ** this would make anyone “laugh” ( the reason the Prophet (pbuh) laughed) since suckling him did not mean to breast feed him but to obtain some milk from herself and give to him. Since it was concerning a man and in Islam a woman can ONLY expose herself to her husband **
** The effect was: **
the problem disappeared and the husband did not feel any disgust concerning his freed slave anymore.
The end…..…
Changez_like, why would this be contradictory or weak IF it is understood as it should be?
It would be obvious to most! but for the ignorant will try to INSIST that it meant the woman had to physically breast feed a grown man. They will further try to insist that by doing this any man on the street can be made into a foster child.
I hope the hadith is clear to you now,
In one case (hadith) Ali (ra) had an eye problem and the prophet(pbuh) rubbed his saliva on it and he got cured that does not mean applying your saliva on anyone having eye problem is going to cure them right?
** Common sense always speaks too late. **
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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
** Ibrahim says: salaams to all.
Changez_like, why would this be contradictory or weak IF it is understood as it should be?
It would be obvious to most! but for the ignorant will try to INSIST that it meant the woman had to physically breast feed a grown man. They will further try to insist that by doing this any man on the street can be made into a foster child.
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In one case (hadith) Ali (ra) had an eye problem and the prophet(pbuh) rubbed his saliva on it and he got cured that does not mean applying your saliva on anyone having eye problem is going to cure them right?
Common sense always speaks too late.
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I would not have a problem if it had not contradicted the concept of 'fostering'/'razaat'. I do beleive that what Prophet PBUH will recommend is GOOD and I do wish to follow him in all aspects of my life.
Do you recognize the fact that ahadith were fabricated at one time? If yes, then how do you know which one is? If no, then that'd be the end of argument.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
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In one case (hadith) Ali (ra) had an eye problem and the prophet(pbuh) rubbed his saliva on it and he got cured that does not mean applying your saliva on anyone having eye problem is going to cure them right?
Common sense always speaks too late.
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There is difference of 'source' of milk/saliva. Prophet PBUH didn't offer milk from his resources for that 'freed slave', while he applied 'his own' saliva for the cure.... is this not different?
Anyway, common sense may not have touched me, so?
Can you tell me concept of 'razaat'/'fostering' from Quran? I'd appreciate that. Thanks.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Changez_like:
I would not have a problem if it had not contradicted the concept of ‘fostering’/‘razaat’. I do beleive that what Prophet PBUH will recommend is GOOD and I do wish to follow him in all aspects of my life.
Ibrahim says; This hadith has NOTHING TO DO WITH FOSTERING A CHILD, so how can it contradict it?
I explained earlier it was done to remove the feeling of disgust that Abu Hudhaifa had towards his own freed slave.
Changez_like: Do you recognize the fact that ahadith were fabricated at one time? If yes, then how do you know which one is? If no, then that’d be the end of argument.
Ibrahim says; Brother/Sister kindly visit this site for a better understanding on this matter
http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/scienceofhadith/atit.html
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Originally posted by sholay:
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A1shah & Co
So what you are actually saying is that A'Hadeeth is also Divine Revelation!
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Sholay,
Every action of our holy prophet (pbuh) was divine as he was purified by the Al-Mighty (swt).
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Originally posted by Ali_R:
** Shame on those who have poor believe and trust in ISLAM but are ready to accept other historical facts so easily(from romans to ww I, ww II, etc til now.). They wouldn't even care about proof, coz media is enough!!
Your sad.
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What's with all this jibberish ?
There are weak hadiths in both sunni and shia books. That's not the point.
This hadith may be true or it may not.
Every hadith should be scrutinized in light of the qur'an to see if its valid. In addition, the chain of narrators and the number of narrators must also be looked to see if the hadith can be classified as authentic or not.
What are we learning from this hadith ? What is the point that the holy prophet (pbuh) is trying to convey ? This is what we should all ask ourselves.
If you go by the assumption that every hadith is correct in the sahihs, you'll end up in hot water in yr attempts to defend illogical sayings.
ws
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Originally posted by a1shah:
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If you go by the assumption that every hadith is correct in the sahihs, you'll end up in hot water in yr attempts to defend illogical sayings.
ws**
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Ibraheem and others like him are so paranoid that they don't want to use their brain. They would jump to defend anything about their books, even if it is a weak hadees. They will argue pointlessly, and twist the facts till the other person gets bored and leave them alone.
Helloo helloo: They will argue pointlessly, and twist the facts till the other person gets bored and leave them alone.
Ibrahim says; are you telling us you did not lie?