is this a trouble with some muslims or am I missing something?

[X2]

I get confused, because I believe that Islam is a reasonable sensible religion, and things that are prohibited are prohibited for some reason. I dont understand the workarounds though, someone explain me this stuff

so riddle me this batman…

1. sleeping around is bad, it has societal, social, moral implications but then i see guys in beards throw around words like misyar and mutaah. what is that all about and why does it make any sense.

2. some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?

3. if you are not a blood relative you are na mehram and you observe hijab..so how does a simple act of nursing a child make him a ‘mehram’ its not that his genes changed, its not that he became a blood relative.

4. I have read by some that muslims should not dress like nonmuslims and that my jeans and jacket are bad, usually the type of people saying that are wearing the clothes traditional to their geographical area and either were clothes that they and non muslism both wore..and wear like iom middle east, or pakistan and india..

[JimmyKimble]

@X2

I get confused, because I believe that Islam is a reasonable sensible religion, and things that are prohibited are prohibited for some reason. I dont understand the workarounds though, someone explain me this stuff

so riddle me this batman...

1) sleeping around is bad, it has societal, social, moral implications but then i see guys in beards throw around words like misyar and mutaah. what is that all about and why does it make any sense.

2) some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?

3) if you are not a blood relative you are na mehram and you observe hijab..so how does a simple act of nursing a child make him a 'mehram' its not that his genes changed, its not that he became a blood relative.

4) I am have read by some that muslims should not dress like nonmuslims and that my jeans and jacket are bad, usually the type of people saying that are wearing the clothes traditional to their geographical area and either were clothes that they and non muslism both wore..and wear like iom middle east, or pakistan and india..

I think the instruction is "where any thing from halal dress ther shouldn't be showing off+ or israf(wasting money)"

As you said every thing is there for a reason.
Sleeping around is bad for social reasons, Matah take care of those social reasons.

[TLK]

1) sleeping around is bad, it has societal, social, moral implications but then i see guys in beards throw around words like misyar and mutaah. what is that all about and why does it make any sense.

I guess that is why Mutaah is not acceptable in some school of thoughts.

2) some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?
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Any and every Islamic bank is backed up by a bank (maybe federal) that gives out loan on interest, so no matter how you look at it, the foundation of that financing is interest based. In my humble opinion, people should look beyond this faltooness of shariah compliant financing" (I wanted to use another word than faltooness but I know that people would mind)**

3) if you are not a blood relative you are na mehram and you observe hijab..so how does a simple act of nursing a child make him a 'mehram' its not that his genes changed, its not that he became a blood relative.
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Meharm just means that they are disqualified for Nikah forever. It has nothing to do with being a blood relative.
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4) I am have read by some that muslims should not dress like nonmuslims and that my jeans and jacket are bad, usually the type of people saying that are wearing the clothes traditional to their geographical area and either were clothes that they and non muslism both wore..and wear like iom middle east, or pakistan and india.

This is another faltooness. Prophet used to wear the same clothes that Abu Jehal (kafir) used to wear. Clothes conditions are it should not be bodily hugging enough to highlight body contours. One hadith is, you should avoid looking like kuffars and people get confused with dressing up like them

[psyah]

@X2

I get confused, because I believe that Islam is a reasonable sensible religion, and things that are prohibited are prohibited for some reason. I dont understand the workarounds though, someone explain me this stuff

so riddle me this batman...

1) sleeping around is bad, it has societal, social, moral implications but then i see guys in beards throw around words like misyar and mutaah. what is that all about and why does it make any sense.

2) some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?

3) if you are not a blood relative you are na mehram and you observe hijab..so how does a simple act of nursing a child make him a 'mehram' its not that his genes changed, its not that he became a blood relative.

4) I am have read by some that muslims should not dress like nonmuslims and that my jeans and jacket are bad, usually the type of people saying that are wearing the clothes traditional to their geographical area and either were clothes that they and non muslism both wore..and wear like iom middle east, or pakistan and india..

Peace X2

1) Context specific at the best ... hypocrisy at the worst
2) Made up nonesense designed to get Muslims to take out loans
3) The person is made up of three centres, physical, emotional and spiritual the answer does not lie in genetics (physical) domain. If there is imbalance then of course forget milk relatives even blood relatives are not sacrosanct and you can get pure incest in cases where the sacred balances are tipped.
4) If someone can take a look at you and call you a Muslim and you have covered the aura and that you resemble your own gender in the region you live ... then you know you are on a winner. Ignore everyone else.

[JimmyKimble]

Re: is this a trouble with some muslims or am I missing something?

I am not shia, but I believe mattah take care of those issues.
Plus man get to be a man and take care of the woman and the baby who is born as a result.

[SindSagar]

**So Pir Sahib................

Which one of these are you missing the MOST?

Mutah or Misyar...............:)
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[JimmyKimble]

Re: is this a trouble with some muslims or am I missing something?

lolz

[X2]

@SindSagar

**So Pir Sahib................

Which one of these are you missing the MOST?

Mutah or Misyar...............:) **

its not a question of missing..
missing out..maybe :D

[X2]

@psyah

Peace X2

1) Context specific at the best ... hypocrisy at the worst 2) Made up nonesense designed to get Muslims to take out loans 3) The person is made up of three centres, physical, emotional and spiritual the answer does not lie in genetics (physical) domain. If there is imbalance then of course forget milk relatives even blood relatives are not sacrosanct and you can get pure incest in cases where the sacred balances are tipped. 4) If someone can take a look at you and call you a Muslim and you have covered the aura and that you resemble your own gender in the region you live ... then you know you are on a winner. Ignore everyone else.

psyah I get the aura and resemble gender in the region etc...
but seriously, speaking strictly of clothing, how can one look at a dude wearing a suit and say he is muslim.

[UZ]

I get confused, because I believe that Islam is a reasonable sensible religion, and things that are prohibited are prohibited for some reason. I dont understand the workarounds though, someone explain me this stuff

X2 mein bhi yehi sochti hoon ke Islam eik jamaa and mukamal mazahab hai sensible logo ke liye jo isey samjhna chahe to and us per belief kerna chahey to:)

so riddle me this batman…

1) sleeping around is bad, it has societal, social, moral implications but then i see guys in beards throw around words like misyar and mutaah. what is that all about and why does it make any sense.
Muttah and Misyar ke baarey mein mera itna extensive knowledge nahi to mein us detail mein jana nahi pasand karoon gi jab tak ke mujhe sahi ilm naa ho.
2) some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?

Kuffar-e-makkah bhi yehi samjhtay they ke ham sirf munaffa hi to ley rahey hain to phir is mein buraii kaya hai and woh yeh nahi samjhtay they ke soud and munaffay mein bohat faraq hai

Any and every Islamic bank is backed up by a bank (maybe federal) that gives out loan on interest, so no matter how you look at it, the foundation of that financing is interest based. In my humble opinion, people should look beyond this faltooness of shariah compliant financing" (I wanted to use another word than faltooness but I know that people would mind)

Jahaan tak Islamic banking kaa taaluq hai its not my concern ke woh kisi aur se soud letay hain to baat waheen aa jaati hai No its not no matter how you look at it.In my humble opinion jo log yeh mashwara detay hain ke hamein “phaltoo SHariah financing” ko chor dena chahiye woh is baat per kyoon nahi aatey ke ham aisa kaun saa system banayein jis se hamein and baqi muslims ko faida ho. doosron ke banayey hoay system mein keeray nikalna bohat asaan hai system ko soch ker samjh ker banana ke soud bhi naa ho and muslim ko faida bhi ho bohat mushkil .mujh se kisi ne sawaal kiya thaa ke agar house ko munaffa hota hai to Islamci Shriah “phaltoo” financing waley kaya kartay hain and agar nuqsaan hota hai to Islamic Shariah “phaltoo” financing waley kaya kertay hain ofcoure us shakhs kaa saawaal sahi hai mujhe bhi yehi concern thaa bohat ziada ke then I asked them and they said agar aap ko faida ho gaa to aap ko apna profil miley gaa and agar aap ko nuqsaan ho gaa to us ki responsibility hamari hai ham aap ke saath nuqsaan mein shamil hon gay.Look agar koii Phaltoo shariah financing kaa muslim mujhe document per yeh baat state ker ke dey day to mein us ki baat maan loon gi kyoon ke woh eik muslim hai mein aur ziada tahqeeq mein nahi jaoon gi.Hamein muslims kaa kaabhi kabhi itebaar bhii kerna chahiye.

3)you are na mehram and you observe hijab..so how does a simple act of nursing a child make him a ‘mehram’ its not that his genes changed, its not that he became a blood relative.

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Meharm just means that they are disqualified for Nikah forever. It has nothing to do with being a blood relative.

yeh sab se behter jawaab hai but I think aap bohat bara sawaal ker rahey ho because Prophet Mohammad(p.b.u.h.) ne Hazrat Haleema (R.A.) kaa doodh bhi piya tha and aap yeh pooch rahey ho ke jo hamaray Nabhi ne kiya woh ghalat thaa :aq: WOW
4) I am have read by some that muslims should not dress like nonmuslims and that my jeans and jacket are bad, usually the type of people saying that are wearing the clothes traditional to their geographical area and either were clothes that they and non muslism both wore..and wear like iom middle east, or pakistan and india

yeh eik phaaltoo issue aap ne utthaya hai because aap bohat achi tarah jaantay ho ke dress kaa sirf modest hona zaroori hai paint shirt waghairaa kaa is se koii taaluq nahi

Ab meray pass aap ke liye khuch sawaalat hain aap please jawaab dena pasand kerein gay to mein poochon:)

[psyah]

@X2

psyah I get the aura and resemble gender in the region etc... but seriously, speaking strictly of clothing, how can one look at a dude wearing a suit and say he is muslim.

Cos of his beard !!!

[desert_bird]

Re: is this a trouble with some muslims or am I missing something?

^^ I have seen clean shaved with suits more devoted and true muslims than those terrorists most of those which have beard on thier faces who blow up people daily here or anywhere else in the world.

Not to object Sunnat-e-Rasool(pbuh) in any case but sunnat is something different with wajib/farz plus Libaas depends more upon cultural values/traditions than Islam. Islam is not about wearing shalwar/long arab abaya/trousers , its more than that !

[X2]

@psyah

Cos of his beard !!!

funny I did not know only muslims can have facial hair.

[X2]

@ume-zafeerah

Muttah and Misyar ke baarey mein mera itna extensive knowledge nahi to mein us detail mein jana nahi pasand karoon gi jab tak ke mujhe sahi ilm naa ho.

okay, that acceptablle

@ume-zafeerah

Kuffar-e-makkah bhi yehi samjhtay they ke ham sirf munaffa hi to ley rahey hain to phir is mein buraii kaya hai and woh yeh nahi samjhtay they ke soud and munaffay mein bohat faraq hai
Jahaan tak Islamic banking kaa taaluq hai its not my concern ke woh kisi aur se soud letay hain to baat waheen aa jaati hai No its not no matter how you look at it.

I am not sure why you did not follow your stance that since you dont know about a subject you will not talk about it.

look you are the one who proposed 'shraiah compliant financing" … on one hand you bring about kuffar who said sirf munaffa lay rahay hain…please do read what islamic financing is.

so I dont believe that modern day interest is the same as loansharking and usury of that era..fine i may be wrong.

but how can you on one hand point to kuffar and say hey they tried to justify interest by calling it profit. please analyze 'shariah compliant financing" and tell me how they work.

so if you dont believe in interest then dont go for it no matter what name is it under.

@ume-zafeerah

.mujh se kisi ne sawaal kiya thaa ke agar house ko munaffa hota hai to Islamci Shriah “phaltoo” financing waley kaya kartay hain and agar nuqsaan hota hai to Islamic Shariah “phaltoo” financing waley kaya kertay hain ofcoure us shakhs kaa saawaal sahi hai mujhe bhi yehi concern thaa bohat ziada ke then I asked them and they said agar aap ko faida ho gaa to aap ko apna profil miley gaa and agar aap ko nuqsaan ho gaa to us ki responsibility hamari hai ham aap ke saath nuqsaan mein shamil hon gay.

really? sorry that is not the case.

why are you getting so agitated, do you guys have a shriah compioant financing business or something? baat saheeh tarah bhi ki ja sakti hai.

Look agar koii Phaltoo shariah financing kaa muslim mujhe document per yeh baat state ker ke dey day to mein us ki baat maan loon gi kyoon ke woh eik muslim hai mein aur ziada tahqeeq mein nahi jaoon gi.Hamein muslims kaa kaabhi kabhi itebaar bhii kerna chahiye.

@ume-zafeerah

yeh sab se behter jawaab hai but I think aap bohat bara sawaal ker rahey ho because Prophet Mohammad(p.b.u.h.) ne Hazrat Haleema (R.A.) kaa doodh bhi piya tha and aap yeh pooch rahey ho ke jo hamaray Nabhi ne kiya woh ghalat thaa :aq: WOW

its a bohot baraa sawal, and there is a better answer than saying oh the prophet did it and wow. it was not an islamic tradition, it ws an arab tradition..it was not just the prophet who was nursed by someone, many others were the, and actually ages ago.

maybe you should have said the same thing as you said fro teh first question, that you dont know the answer.

@ume-zafeerah

yeh eik phaaltoo issue aap ne utthaya hai because aap bohat achi tarah jaantay ho ke dress kaa sirf modest hona zaroori hai paint shirt waghairaa kaa is se koii taaluq nahi

I am glad to see you see this one as a falty issue, just like i see many other things as faltu issues, however, there are plenty of people who to this day say that you can not dress like non muslims..which of course makes no sense..

@ume-zafeerah

Ab meray pass aap ke liye khuch sawaalat hain aap please jawaab dena pasand kerein gay to mein poochon:)

as long as you can digest the answers please ask, but how about a different thread.

[LP]

@X2

2. some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?

Khair for asking , even i am confused about it & have not received any proper answers yet.

[hareem01]

@desert_bird

^^ I have seen clean shaved with suits more devoted and true muslims than those terrorists most of those which have beard on thier faces who blow up people daily here or anywhere else in the world.

Not to object Sunnat-e-Rasool(pbuh) in any case but sunnat is something different with wajib/farz plus Libaas depends more upon cultural values/traditions than Islam. Islam is not about wearing shalwar/long arab abaya/trousers , its more than that !

Yeh to Shaykh Akram Awan ki sunnat ki shaan main gustakhi ho rahi hai.

[desert_bird]

Re: is this a trouble with some muslims or am I missing something?

:D

If you have seen YouTube his younger son with beard while older has not . His son replied there is no compulsion from my father(maulana akram awan)to have beard as the basic rule of quran and sunnah, There is no Jabr in Islam.

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There is beard in islam not islam in beard (Maulana Maudoodi rehamatullah alaih)

[Captain1]

@X2

1) sleeping around is bad, it has societal, social, moral implications but then i see guys in beards throw around words like misyar and mutaah. what is that all about and why does it make any sense.

Misyar is something recently made up, mut'ah is not allowed in Sunni fiqh. So those who are "Arab" followers and not necessarily "Islam" followers might be okay with "Misyar".

@X2

2) some say interest is usury, fine. but then the same people look at 'shariah compliant financing" , explain to me how shriah based financing in essence is any different than a fixed interest mortgage?

Most of the products who claim to be "shariah" compliant are not really compliant, I can atleast say about Lariba (that they are not!). There is a criteria which distinguishes them.

@X2

3) if you are not a blood relative you are na mehram and you observe hijab..so how does a simple act of nursing a child make him a 'mehram' its not that his genes changed, its not that he became a blood relative.

The milk gets mixed up in the blood and the child becomes "kinda" blood related :D

@X2

4) I have read by some that muslims should not dress like nonmuslims and that my jeans and jacket are bad, usually the type of people saying that are wearing the clothes traditional to their geographical area and either were clothes that they and non muslism both wore..and wear like iom middle east, or pakistan and india..

Yeah yeah jamahi leyin Did they really read the hadith? Context? Its meaning?

[X2]

Re: is this a trouble with some muslims or am I missing something?

captain, that is why i chose my words carefully and said some muslims, not islam or muslims.

Q#3 is the only one that is diff and that is more meant for people to think that just because someone is not a blood relative does not mean there cant be a relationship based on respect, otherwise what is some milk eh?

[UZ]

okay, that acceptablle

I am not sure why you did not follow your stance that since you dont know about a subject you will not talk about it.

look you are the one who proposed 'shraiah compliant financing" … on one hand you bring about kuffar who said sirf munaffa lay rahay hain…please do read what islamic financing is.

so I dont believe that modern day interest is the same as loansharking and usury of that era..fine i may be wrong.

but how can you on one hand point to kuffar and say hey they tried to justify interest by calling it profit. please analyze 'shariah compliant financing" and tell me how they work.

so if you dont believe in interest then dont go for it no matter what name is it under.

really? sorry that is not the case.

why are you getting so agitated, do you guys have a shriah compioant financing business or something? baat saheeh tarah bhi ki ja sakti hai.

jin logo ne yeh faisla ker liya hia ke haraam haraam nahi hai balkay halaal hai to baat hi khatam ho jaati hai un ke saamney kisi bhi kisam kaa Islamic system rakh diya jaaye woh us ko mannay waley nahi hain kyoon ke us mein un kaa nuqsaan hai .Payaray Nabi ke zamanay mein bhi kuffar is baat ko nahi mantay they kyoon ke us mein un kaa nuqsaan hota thaa.Yeh soud kaa nizaam aaj ka nahi hai balkay Hazoor (p.b.u.h.) ke zamanay mein bhi yeh exist kerta thaa aur aaj ke modren log yeh samjhtay hain ke yeh modren economy ke paida kiye hoay challenges hain.
Ghazwaae Badr se pehlay Abu Sufyaan kaa jo kafla samaan ley ker aa raha thaa us mein pooray kuffar-e-makka kaa paisa invest hoa thaa aur yeh sari investment unhon ne credit aur sood per liye hoaa thaa jo aajkal ke zamanay mein bhi hoti hai.
naa mein islamic financing ke liye kaam kerti hoon naa hi mein ne un se loan liya hai lekin mera kayaal hai ke agar aap soud se bachan chahtey hain to Islamic financing hi America mein wahid option hai .
Mein ne Islamic financing to bohat detail mein parha hai agar aap ko Islamic financing ki basics samjhni hain to “mufti Taqi Usmani” ki books parhein.Meray kayaal mein aap ko Islamic finances ke basics and concepts nahi pata hain pehlay samjh ker aayein meray pass itna phaltoo time nahi ke un logo ke saath mein apna time zaya karoon jo haraam ko haraam nahi samjhtay.

its a bohot baraa sawal, and there is a better answer than saying oh the prophet did it and wow. it was not an islamic tradition, it ws an arab tradition..it was not just the prophet who was nursed by someone, many others were the, and actually ages ago.

maybe you should have said the same thing as you said fro teh first question, that you dont know the answer.

Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) ke zamanay mein jo ARAB TRADITIONS sahi theen un ko Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) ney rehnay diya aur jo ghalat theen un se mana ker diya kyoon ke ARABS hi mein bohat puranay zamanay se Anmbia chalay aa rahey hian aur un mein anmbia ki rawayaat maujood theen jo AHLE AHNAAF follow kertay they.Aur Hazrat Mohammad ke anay ke waqt sab mushriq nahi they eik tabqa ahley Ahnaaf thaa aur yeh rawayaat un se aa rahi hian.Aur agar yeh rawayat ghalat hoti to Hazarat Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) ko kabhi Hazrat haleema doodh naa pilaaten kyoon ke nabi paida hotay saath nabi hota aur woh koii aisa kaam nahi kerta jo ke baad mein shariah mein haraam ho jaaye.

as long as you can digest the answers please ask, but how about a different thread.

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meray paas aap ke liye bohat saarey sawaalaat hain pehlay aap in ke jawaabaat dein.