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Yusuf Ali translation
**It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). **
Shakir translation
**Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere. **
Pickthall translation
**It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. **
Came across this in Surah Yasin…The first thing that crossed my mind was that the Holy Quran 1,500 years ago is talking about celestial movements…Remember, this was a time when the Earth was considered flat and no concept of orbits or floating heavenly bodies was envisioned…Is this a miracle of the Holy Quran?
Incorrect, the envisioning was done thousands of years ago and even documented history suggests that Greek mathematician, Aristrachus did some good work on that. no miracle but good synopsis never the less. The central american folks and your ancestors in India did it as well.
But the chinese even longer ago than that figured out the planetary movements around eclipses.
Well, according to the non-Muslims, it was Mohammed :saw: who wrote the Quran, a man who could neither read nor write and neither had the accessibility to the internet to find out about Aristarchus and of course the Central American Indians were out of the question…
As for my ‘ancestors’, they were too busy pouring molten lead into the ears of Achoots to really know which way was up and believing that the universe was perched upon the back of a cow, so stargazing and astronomy, though present, were very infantile sciences…
And anyways, even if heavenly bodies were discovered, their movements certainly were not discovered until the 13th or 14th century…By movements I mean the actual motion of the planets, not devising calendars or myths about moving, shining objects in the sky…
yu are right lajo, pouring lead into the ears of achoot was indeed academic as science when you can stone women etc..
BTW, your ancestors while pouring lead into the ears of achoots also has centers of learning that were world class. Places where studies in astronomy, medicine and mathematics paved the way for many in generations to come, places where the traveres from deserts and mountains came to study. But you don't really want to do any research on that when you have already made up your mind. Good luck clapping with one hand.
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yu are right lajo, pouring lead into the ears of achoot was indeed academic as science when you can stone women etc..
BTW, your ancestors while pouring lead into the ears of achoots also has centers of learning that were world class. Places where studies in astronomy, medicine and mathematics paved the way for many in generations to come, places where the traveres from deserts and mountains came to study. But you don't really want to do any research on that when you have already made up your mind. Good luck clapping with one hand.
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Letting punishment fit the crime is just, whether it be stoning a woman or man...Punishment for no crime is not punishment, it is outright brutality and inhumane...But we are not discusing either, so let us save that for later...
It's true, I have made up my mind, but after much deliberation...In an autobiography of Alexander the Great's lover who accompanied him to India, the guy describes the people he met there with absolute disgust for their ignorance...The only salient features he found were the fruits and beautiful landscapes he encountered...Other than that he describes them as naked savages, especially after seeing a poor Achoot meet his end in some way...
Perhaps some links to some sites that mention my 'ancestor's' contributions to astronomy and mathematics...I won't dispute the claim about medicine though for I too am a firm believer of the power of Ayurveda, a science found in every culture, yet much more developed in Hindustan...
P.S. My ancestors were Mongols not Hindus, JFYI...
Well no doubt there is plenty of wisdom or signs of science in the Quran. But the problem is we heark back to 'the good old days' when the reality now is so much different. What's the point in talking about what Achoots did a few hundred years ago? The Achoots are doing ok for themselves now and are sending satellites into space. Muslim countries need western technology to drill for oil which in turn provides them with enough cash to buy German built cars. Other than that they are hardly setting the world alight with their technological advances these days are they?
In my humble opinion why we (Muslims) are in the state that we are in today.. is due to the simple fact... we are not following Quran and Hadith as it was being done in the days when we led the way... This can be a whole new discussion thread so I will stop right here...
The purpose of the thread was to establish if the mentioned "sign" is really a sign.... How can we determine that? Let's leave aside Achoot, Stoning, and German Cars.
Can anyone please provide references (books or sites) for the claims laid out by Matsui?
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...Remember, this was a time when the Earth was considered flat
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Getting back to the topic... is that really true?
This and lots of other verses in Quran give an indication that the One who wrote the Quran and the One who created this world are indeed the same. However, not everyone can see that. Only those, who have an honest desire for truth in their hearts, can realize that.
Your post reminded me of a very inspiring article. It is in written in Urdu and the author is Mian Abdul Rasheed. I am including it for your and other people's reference. (I hope you can read Urdu. I apologize if you or anyone can't.)
What is written in the quran is good. it gives muslims a sense of scientific and cosmic revelations…but it is not the first such theory or revelation..
there are many such sites, I just clicked on the first one in google. As I am not much of a cut’n’paste artist. You have the vedas which speak of orbiting worlds.
Lajo, did you know that your ancestors had figured out what is now called the pythagorean theorem before the man himself. They used the calculations to make alters perfectly symmetrical to each other for vedic rituals. i think you should read a bit more and maybe take a trip once on a while your world would open up a bit. There is more to life than the desert…
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Lajawab,
This and lots of other verses in Quran give an indication that the One who wrote the Quran and the One who created this world are indeed the same. However, not everyone can see that. Only those, who have an honest desire for truth in their hearts, can realize that.
Your post reminded me of a very inspiring article. It is in written in Urdu and the author is Mian Abdul Rasheed. I am including it for your and other people's reference. (I hope you can read Urdu. I apologize if you or anyone can't.)
Thanks for the link Matsui, but there is a little difference between astronomy and astrology…
Astronomy is the art of studying the stars and planets themselves while astrology is the study of the movements that shiny and bright objects have on the future…
BTW, if you can actually post some verses or quotes from the Mahabharata, Geeta, Puranas or Vedas or some other Hindu book talking about stars and planets, that would be stupendous…
Lajawab, in the ancient world astronomy and astrology were interconnected. The musings in the quran are also not scientic in nature but are an attempt to connect humanity to the cosmos through revelation and faith int eh revelation...nto very scientific I am afraid.
If you read though just the link above, the demarcation has been provided in the form of the the work of your anfd my achoot ancentors.
Did you read te stiff in the link at all?
"""It would be surprising for us to know today that this science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India that ancient Indian astronomers had recognized that stars are same as the sun, that the sun is center of the universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure"""
