I always wonder about this when ever such incidents happen. So recently on my facebook somebody posted this hadith
Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.
and i was frankly quite shocked to read it as since childhood in all of our islamiyat classes, i have read several incidents where non muslims mocked Prophet (p.b.u.h.) and his message of islam and how Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) treated them nicely in return and that contributed to their acceptance of islam.
Re: Is their a Quranic ruling for insulting and mocking Islam and Prophet (p.b.u.h.)
The above narration is not quite detailed or clear enough to draw out some type of conclusion which you seem to be trying to do. Try to provide something more detailed keeping in mind however there are many fictional stories present in the books of history including those containing hadiths so do not believe everything you read there without research and critical thinking.
There were disbelievers and hypocrites who mocked both Allah (swt) and his Messenger both openly and in private. Quran contains commands to leave them in their state and promised the return of their (mis)deeds by Allah (swt) Himself.
Re: Is their a Quranic ruling for insulting and mocking Islam and Prophet (p.b.u.h.)
Peace
Have you considered one instance was within the rule of Islam and the other may have been earlier? Anyway, this is a good question and I'll look into it, inshaAllah.
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so it means that it is the act against the established state that matters and is punishable whether it is treason, waging war or any other act that undermines the state. what do you think?
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^Well, the conduct of Prophet (saww) towards his enemies is quite clear. There was no bigger enemy of the Prophet (saww) than the Meccan aristocrats whose left no effort to kill and sabotage the Prophet (saww) in every possible way. Yet when Prophet (saww) overpowered them he forgave them and hence the likes of Abu Sufyan, Sohail Ibn Amr, Hakam bin al Aas came to be known as 'tulaqa' which means 'the freed ones'. Hakam bin al Aas who would still mimick the Prophet (saww) publicly. As a result he was expelled by Prophet (saww) from Medina. It is a different story that a later caliph in his time recalled him to Medina and his son, the accursed Marwan bin Hakam, not only became the chief advisor and son-in-law of the caliph of time but later became the caliph of Muslims himself!!!
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You just have to come up with some criticism without thinking.
The money reward for murder/wrongful death maybe considered wrong by some but it is not unusual even these days as remuneration by survivors of dead people.
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Blood money!! ah the, great arabic tradition of trading life with money. never liked it and never will.
Do you believe in life insurance? The alternative is to take the life of the killer ... Is that heinous to you also? So then if there was murderer forget manslaughter ... But full on murder ... Would you neither have him killed, nor expect him to pay out, but just get him life imprisonment? What if the killed person had dependents ... Wife, children, pet dog? ... Would they not appreciate money to keep them going for about 5 years after their breadwinner was taken from them?
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Well i will take honor over money any day. That has been our culture from thousands of years. For me and billions of others it is so unthinkable to take money for a life.
what would be next, money for rape?
It is a tribal law that favors the rich and exploits the poor and weak. People who call it "insurance" need to take their head out of sand. no matter how much you sugar coat it , it is still money for your loved ones life.
honor people , even animals have it.
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^That is fair thinking particularly if you enjoy living in a society with a solid justice system and more so if you are rich. Try making sense of the laws like Diyah and Qisas in the right context, i.e. as a law in countries where even today the poor man's life is not worthy of the life of rich man's dog.
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The option of financial compensation is not meant to replace a criminal justice system. Murder cannot be treated as a personal matter, it is a crime against the state and effects the public interest. It's not surprising that Pakistan abuses Shariah and we can thank Zia for the Qisas and Diyat Ordinance of 1980, which wasn't even properly applied in the Raymond Davis case. I understand the concepts of qisas/diyat as the pre-modern equivalents of retribution and restitution in criminal law. I can see them being applicable to tribal societies, not modern nation states. The spirit behind them is a rhetorical, moral framework that affords the victim a say in his/her aggressor's fate, encourages mercy and discourages vengeance/bloodshed. Such simplistic rules were not meant to be turned into legislation verbatim. That's my 2 cents.
OP : Hadiths that contradict the Quran and the Prophet's traditions are invalid. Don't be shocked, use your critical faculties. Human narrations compiled centuries after the Prophet's death are not irrefutable and need to be regarded with skepticism.
Re: Is their a Quranic ruling for insulting and mocking Islam and Prophet (p.b.u.h.)
^Well, the conduct of Prophet (saww) towards his enemies is quite clear. There was no bigger enemy of the Prophet (saww) than the Meccan aristocrats whose left no effort to kill and sabotage the Prophet (saww) in every possible way. Yet when Prophet (saww) overpowered them he forgave them and hence the likes of Abu Sufyan, Sohail Ibn Amr, Hakam bin al Aas came to be known as 'tulaqa' which means 'the freed ones'. Hakam bin al Aas who would still mimick the Prophet (saww) publicly. As a result he was expelled by Prophet (saww) from Medina. It is a different story that a later caliph in his time recalled him to Medina and his son, the accursed Marwan bin Hakam, not only became the chief advisor and son-in-law of the caliph of time but later became the caliph of Muslims himself!!!
Thanks Pagluu bro for bringing up this story. I had been looking for it for quiet some time.
Perhaps the Caliph in question was hadrath Uthman. I wonder how he could have done this and still be called among KhulfaERashidun. Pl explain someone.
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sure, we have seen how well it worked in raymond davis' case. or numerous cases before it.
any ghariat mand samaz would not even think about it.
In the era of vigilante justice where murder after murder used to happen for generations to take revenge, blood money was a good way of stopping unnecessary blood bath.
Re: Is their a Quranic ruling for insulting and mocking Islam and Prophet (p.b.u.h.)
In the era of vigilante justice where murder after murder used to happen for generations to take revenge, blood money was a good way of stopping unnecessary blood bath.
Sure. thats why i call it a tribal system. it may have been useful in medieval times in saudi arabia but today it is as plain wrong and irrelevent.
You just have to come up with some criticism without thinking.