Is their a Quranic ruling for insulting and mocking Islam and Prophet (p.b.u.h.)

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kakaji in usa** – It is very easy to ‘talk big’ while sitting comfortably in the USA.

Islam is a very practical religion for all times and places.

‘Blood money’ is one of the options for the ‘murdered person’s’ near ones. Other two being:

  1. Revenge – Blood for blood

OR

  1. Total forgiveness (No Blood for Blood or any Blood money)!

Blood money is a safety net for the deceased’s immediate family. It could a very young widow or an older lady with young daughters.

These venerable unskilled souls with no family support are easily pushed into life of begging or prostitution.

You must be well aware that in Hinduism widows are a curse and not allowed to remarry.

Now put yourself in the shoes of young unskilled Hindu widow with kids to feed – Your ghariat and honour will opt for the blood money rather than life of begging and prostitution.

Do you agree?

See for the plight of young widows in India – that’s the place of your origins, right?

http://www.uni-hildesheim.de/~haensch/culturescan/5Jarman.pdf

White Saris and Sweet Mangoes

http://bora.cmi.no/dspace/bitstream/10202/380/1/R%201992_8%20Ratnabali%20Chatterjee-07122007_1.pdf

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Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allah S.W.T, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.

So in case of Hakam bin al Aas, Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) chose to forgave. And if Hakam bin al Anas repented later then who is to decide whether he lives or die when Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) let him live. And Allah S.W.T knows better. And this is my idea. The above replies are the excerpts from this Fatwa(Islam Question and Answer - Ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)).

It would be even better if you asked such questions from Islamic scholars in this forum or in your place.

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In both Qisas and Diyah the claimant has the right, in fact it is encouraged, to forgive the guilty. Not saying that the crimes of killing do more than personal implications but that is beyond the discussion here.

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It is easier than ever today to research the books of history or ask help from experts of different field so those who seek things usually find them too. The caliphs were called 'Rahishun' or guided by later people of time when caliph's public conduct became worse than imaginable from any human standards.

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So much wrong at so many levels in your post but it would be good if you can post a reference to Marwan the caliph’s dad’s repentance story because I have never seen one. Maulana Maududi in his book Khilafat aur Malukiyat (pg. 110-111) criticizes in details and with references Marwan’s proximity to caliph Uthman particularly when Marwan’s father was alive and was capable of influencing the government affairs. As for Marwan himself, here is the kind of CV that he carried:

-Killing Talha bin Obaidullah and other companions.
-Beating Abdullah ibne Masud, Ammar bin Yasir for voicing against corruption.
-Expelling Abu Dharr al Ghaffari from Medina into desert which results in his death along with his wife.
-Ordering arrows to be shot at the funeral of Imam Hasan.
-Forging letter in caliph’s name and ordering oppression such as killing of Egyptian envoy who had come to Medina to complain of oppression.
-Threatening to kill Imam Hussein in Medina.
-Killing of Muawiya ibne Yazeed whose mother he married to earn the caliphate.

And these are only some of his credentials. He was nicknamed 'Khabtul Batil meaning “the head of evil”.

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REally?? what is your age? and why cant you understand basic things.

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like i said, it was just an idea of mine but you didn’t tell us the whole story now did you? It’s something like this

**Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had expelled Hakam because he associated with the munaafiqoon (hypocrites) and aided the kuffaar. After the demise of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) the fitnah of the kuffaar and munaafiqoon was completely eradicated during the Khilaafat of the first two Khulafa. Thus during the time of Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) there was no longer the need to keep in force the expulsion order against Hakam.

When some people asked Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) for the reason for allowing Hakam back into Madinah, he responded: “During Rasulullah’s last illness, I obtained Rasulullah’s permission to allow Hakam back.” When Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) had mentioned this to Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiallahu anhu) during his Khilaafat, he asked for a witness. Since Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) had no witness, he (Uthmaan) remained silent. The same transpired during the Khilaafat of Hadhrat Umar (radhiallahu anhu). However, when Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) assumed the Khilaafat he acted according to what he knew was true. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had also reposed great trust on Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu). Secrets of which others were not informed were entrusted to him during
Rasulullah’s last illness. Who can honestly deny the truth which Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) stated regarding Hakam’s return?

*The demand for a witness by Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (radhiallahu anhuma) was the result of the great care these Khulafa exercised in the matter of accepting Ahaadith narrated by anyone. It does not follow that these two Khulafa did not believe Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu). If Hadhrat Umar (radhiallahu anhu) had entertained the slightest doubt regarding the integrity of Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) , he would not have appointed him to the Khilaafat Committee which decided, according to Hadhrat Umar’s directive, to appoint the next Khalifah. Hadhrat Uthmaan (radhiallahu anhu) was thus appointed the Khalifah. Hakam had also repented. After his repentance he did not again indulge in any act of fitnah. Furthermore, he had become extremely old and decrepit. There was no longer fear of him dabbling in mischief.

***I had to search on this topic because i was having a little tinge at the back of my head as a result of your question. I took the above excerpt from this site (Marwan ibn al Hakim) and if you don’t think it’s good enough then here is a image](http://s10.postimage.org/pr8aud5wp/Untitled.png) specially for you.

*(http://postimage.org/image/jqalxajad/) took the paragraphs from this link (The Spiritual Background of Early Islam - M. M. Bravmann - Google Books)

Then again do try to understand the natures and personalities of our Khulafa-ur Rashidun.*

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i think that was a good introductory dialogue, from ibn saddique, for you to get into the debate regarding ethics of 'blood money'
up till now you have brushed it off but i assure you its place among the legal solutions has merit. obviously if you are just looking to voice your opposition to islam then dialogue regarding this matter is not required and never was

i agree with you regarding the raymond davies case, i would have liked to have seen the famillies stick to demanding life for life

brothers does anyone know if blood money was permissable to be accepted in the case of raymond davies?

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every one has a moral obligation of respecting other religions. But not all of us do that. So those who are not muslims have no other obligation to respect Quran and Prophet (p.b.u.h.). So i find it odd that same laws should be applicable to them or any fatwa of murdering them being jaiz. The qualities that we relate to HIM (p.b.u.h.) are that of kindness and generosity.
and frankly i think most of such publications and movies are targeted to upset muslims and we all start burning our own country in order to show protest. As we are a nation uncapable of peaceful protests, we should rather ignore such antics rather than publicizing them.

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This is what i believe.

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you have no argument my friend. you know it is wrong but you feel your moral obligation to defend this uncivilized law.
Just do a simple test, apply it on you. if you think you would like money more than your loved ones then i lose.
Forget about money, what about justice. it is said god is justice and truth.

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Actually it worked exactly in the case of raymond davis as intended. Rich and powerful got away and poor/weak left behind mourning their dead and fighting over the money. Thats what i said in my first post as well.

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applying it to myself is the key for me, but rather then being the victim i fear killing someone else, and regretting it. in a situation which happened, i played my part and at the same time it was a mistake. and where the victims familly is left bread winnerless that would be just awful but no doubt this is a common situation in the world

i would be filled with regret but its the victims familly which would ultimately decide my fate, and that for me is a mercy whichever choice they make. i would respect their decision

the other aspect is that as muslims we believe that we will be judged by Allah SWT again for the incident, and forgiveness from the victims familly would be meritorious for them

two killings do not always soothe the situation, the victims familly decide what is justice

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i can only talk regarding the situation from muslim on muslim prospective because thats the only understanding i have of it*

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^^ See you proved my point. Even you dont want to be "the weak" in this case. you want to be "the killer" i.e. the more powerful. because you know , in back of your mind that the weak gets the raw end of the stick.

PS. Most of the people in this world wont regret after killing. Most of the world would be indifferent or enjoy it. giving them the power to kill and pay is a societal suicide. i know you are a good person who would regret or repent, but not everyone is like you.

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the topic is “**Is there a Quranic ruling for insulting and mocking Islam and Prophet (p.b.u.h.)” **and not a single post is on the topic. Nobody has bothered to consult Quran in this regard. kya yeh khula tazad nahin :confused:

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I m well aware of the things attributed to first three rightly guided caliphs by a sect of Islam, and I find the accusations quiet appealing and believable in the light of authentic Islamic literature. I only wanted to read what someone could produce in defense of Hadrath Uthman in this regard.

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i think u people are deviating from the topic. as far as the topic is concerned, yes that is true that when an old lady used to throw garbage on Prophet Muhammad (Sallal laho alaihai waAlaihe wasalam) , naozbillah, and one day she didn't throw or perhaps for 2 days , she was unable to throw garbage, our Prophet (PBUH) went to see whats the matter and found her too ill. And then he did all the household works for her until she was cured and she turned muslim by observing such beautiful behaviour.

But this is also writtten somewhere that when someone insulted Prophet (PBUH) , it was being ordered by the Prophet(PBUH) to kill/behead such people , even if he/she go and embraces the walls of khana qaaba. As khana qaaba is considered sacred and muslims won't do any killings there , but for the person who insults Prophet(PBUH) , his/her killing there is allowed.

I have searched for the reference for the directly above mentioned paragraph, but was unable to find it . But definitely found the incident narrated by Ruomiat , regarding a blind man (from Abu Dawood). This incident is the proof that killing of the people who insult Prophet(PBUH) is allowed.

As for the person who started this topic, Don't be shocked on what u read in ur islamiyat classes. Because as humans , our thinking powers are limited , but Quran is the word of Allah. So whatever Allah and His Prophet(PBUH) have told us, one should act blindly on it even if u fail to understand the logic behind it or ur mind fails to accept it. It might be hard but not impossible.

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The book i have quoted has all the references i believe.

I dont think any one tried to read the book :)

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Kaka in usa!

You need to get out a little more instead of criticizing everything related to Pakistan or Islam.

There are many many examples from other religions or societies where money is given to the families of murder victims. These include criminal negligence or second degree murder cases.

Read about Bhopal Gas leak incidence and monitory compensation for the loss of lives.

The point is you have no reason to invoke 'Ghairat' when there is standard way of rewarding the victim family much better than killing the murderer-in some schools of thoughts.

Again the compensation is not obligatory, merely an option.

Don't read much do you? ;)

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It is the incident of conquest of makkah when all were pardoned except 10 culprits. Orders were given to kill them even if they are hanging or hiding behind cover of kaaba. Most of these were also pardoned. I think you must investigate before agreeing on a verdict. here is the excerpt that i found on wikipedia and it referred to 'Seerah-i Ibn Hisham'

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Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl, Habbar bin Aswad, Abdullah bin Sa'd Abi Sarah, Miqyas Subabah Laythi, Huwairath bin Nuqayd, Abdullah Hilal and four women who have been guilty of murder or other offences or have sparked off the war should be killed for their offences immediately, whenever they are captured

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Ikrimah - pardoned and he accepted Islam

Habbar bin Aswad - maltreated Hazrat Zainab binte Muhammed (R.A.) when she was leaving Makkah for Madinah. She was far advance in pregnancy and as she was mounting her camel, Habbar ibn Aswad drove the butt end of his lance against her, throwing her to the ground, and eventually causing her death. He was also pardoned

Abdullah bin sa'd - A scribe who apostated and joined kuffar. He was also pardoned on the request of hazrat Usman (ra)

Miqyas Subabah Laythi - A person who wrongfully killed a man after agreeing and accepting compensation for his brother's murder. he was killed

Abdullah bin Khatal - killed for murdering a slave. he also apostatized and used poetry for insulting the prophet

these are accounts of some of the people. According to some sources, seventeen were sentenced to death but only five were actually killed.