The threat is not to the US but to S.Korea and Japan. In the global economy what happens in Japan (second largest economy) affects the UK and Germany. So the confortable lives that you are leading in those places are indirectly under threat. That should be a concern to you.
Actually both Koreas (North and South) are south east of the United States.
How about explaining why instead of just stating it. Here is a paste from someone who knows a lot more of NK’s resources than you do:
The Mythical North Korean Threat
North Korean soldiers suffer from malnutrition and rarely train due to a scarcity of fuel and ammo. Most North Korean soldiers could not attack because they are needed to defend the entire DMZ and coastal approaches (they remember the 1950 landing at Inchon) while entire divisions must remain throughout North Korea to fend off heliborne offensives, food riots, and probable coups.
On the other hand, the entire 700,000 man South Korean active duty army can be devoted to the defense of Seoul. The modern South Korean army is backed by over 5,000,000 well-trained reservists who can be called to duty in hours. South Korea has twice the population of the North, thirty times its economic power, and spends three times more on its military each year. South Korean military equipment is first class whereas most of the North Korean military equipment is over 30 years old and much is inoperable due to a lack of maintenance. If war broke out, South Korea has a massive industrial capacity and $94 billion in foreign currency reserves to sustain a war, while North Korea has no industry and no money. As a result, South Korea is roughly five times more powerful than North Korea.
If North Korea insanely attacked, the South Koreans would fight on mountainous and urban terrain which heavily favors defense, and complete air superiority would shoot up anything the North Koreans put on the road. Assuming the North Koreans could start up a thousand of their old tanks and armored vehicles, they cannot advance through the mountainous DMZ. The South Koreans have fortified, mined, and physically blocked all avenues through these mountains, and it would take North Korean infantry and engineers weeks to clear road paths while under fire.
The North Korean military could gain a few thousand meters with human wave assaults into minefields and concrete fortifications. However, these attacks would bog down from heavy casualties, and a lack of food and ammo resupply. Fighting would be bloody as thousands of South Korean and American troops and civilians suffer from North Korean artillery and commando attacks. Nevertheless, the North Korean army would be unable to breakthrough or move supplies forward. Even if North Korea magically broke through, all military analysts scoff at the idea that the North Koreans could bridge large rivers or move tons of supplies forward while under attack from American airpower.
It is important to remember that the last Korean war involved Chinese forces supported by North Koreans with the latest Soviet equipment and supplies. China and Russia no longer aid North Korea and trade openly with South Korea. Thousands of Chinese soldiers guard the Yalu River to prevent crossings by starving North Koreans. North Korean soldiers no longer train for war, but spend most hours harvesting crops, while their old aircraft and ancient tanks sit idle from a lack of fuel and parts. In 1999, Lt. Gen. Patrick Hughes, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told Congress that discipline in the North Korean army had collapsed, and that refugees report soldiers stealing food at gun point. Nighttime satellite pictures reveal few lights in the North because of a lack of electricity.
Even if North Korea has a few crude nuclear weapons, using them would be suicidal since it would invite instant retaliation from the United States. North Korea lacks the technical know-how to build an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, despite the hopes and lies from the National Missile Defense proponents in the USA. North Korea's industrial production is almost zero, over two million people have starved in recent years, and millions of homeless nomads threaten internal revolution
Another wonderfully ‘informative’ link by Seminole. An personalised internet site run by a group of disaffected ex-marine officers. A right-wing site run by a certain Carlton Meyer who believes that communist idealogy pervades the US military. :hehe:
Have a read.
Instead of picking apart the links, why don’t you address the issues they bring up? ![]()
Well seen as your link is that of a site run by some right disaffected marines, I think it perfectly legitimate to ‘pick’ at your link. How can anyone take anything this bunch of GI Joes say, especially as they say that the US military is in effect run by communists.
Look at what it says about Los Angles Air Force Base - *Our military can save millions of dollars each year and free most the airmen and civilians there to join operational units by shutting down communist activities](http://www.losangeles.af.mil/ABG/baseservices.htm#family) at that base. *
Just look at what these right-wing loons think are “communist activities”. :hehe:
Lacks technical know-how? I think these guys dont want to face the reality. NK not only knows but has the ICBM. Dont believe me? See what the intelligence agencies are saying. Oh and do a lil more research, there is whole wide world of web besides this site which is supposed to glorify the american military somehow.
Check this:
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This is from North Korea’s Nuclear Weapons Program written for Congressional Reseach Service - Library Of Congress.
Whatever dude. If it makes you post smilies, I am happy that you are happy. Ignorance indeed must be bliss. But I thought that this thread was "Is the US scared of NK?" Of course you should know that as it is another notch in your long belt of anti-American ravings.
So please address the issues instead of trying to score some brownie points. I think that these GI Joes did a great job ascertaining the North Korean threat, don't you?
*"Even if North Korea has a few crude nuclear weapons, using them would be suicidal since it would invite instant retaliation from the United States." *
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
*"Even if North Korea has a few crude nuclear weapons, using them would be suicidal since it would invite instant retaliation from the United States." *
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Well, did USSR use any nuclear weapons on US during the Cold War? Nope. Was using them a suicide for either nations? Yes. Was the threat always there? Yes.
Is the threat from NK there right now? Yes.
Bleh!
In telling us what really are communist activities](http://www.losangeles.af.mil/ABG/baseservices.htm#family) :hehe:
Great job 5Abi. :k:
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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
Well, did USSR use any nuclear weapons on US during the Cold War? Nope. Was using them a suicide for either nations? Yes. Was the threat always there? Yes.
Is the threat from NK there right now? Yes.
Bleh!
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Is the pitiful little nation of North Korea comparable to the Soviet Empire? No
Were the Soviets and US almost equal in military strength and number of nuclear missles? Yes
How many nukes would NK get off before thier country became a wasteland?
OK, NK doesnt need the whole arsenal of nukes like USSR had. Yes, I agree one cant compare NK to former USSR. BUT, as it says above, the threat of one of those ICBM hitting US terriroty is more than enough to create a mass hysteria. One doesnt need to drop them all over the continental US to make a point.
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*Originally posted by yaasir: *
North Korea does have the resources to defend itself. Im sure China and Russia will help out North Korea secretly to some extent if USA was to attack North Korea
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Why USA is gonna attack on N-Korea ? Do they have more oil in thier land than Iraq ?
LOL! very credible source Seminole provided ![]()
Let me quote from that site:
Ok so this guy is calling other members of the US military communists?
And saying they envision Karl Marx ideas by going to fitness centers? I think this dud needs a mental checkup ![]()
how many ofg you live in north korea? most of you live and work here
but want support north korea?
The big picture is overlooked. Who cares that rogue states such as Iraq, North Korea or Libya obtain nuclear weapons and threaten global survival? As long as it is seen as a thorn in US' side, the American wannabes jump for joy, consequences be damned.
Thank the good lord that Malik is back to stir the pot of WAs a little. Funny, but isn't this the same Malik who, shortly before he disappeared, lambasted GW for including N. Korea in an Axis of evil. All I kept hearing is that GW was crazy because N. Korea posed no threat to the US. Now, that same contingent is making it sound like N. Korea is poised to launch one of its two nuclear bombs into downtown Miami.
Bottom line is and has been that N. Korea is a threat to the US and US interests around the world. It is also a threat to China, Japan, the Soviet Union, S. Korea and a whole bunch of other countries. That's why we have 37,000 troops in South Korea and why GW called it part of the axis of evil.
As to why the US response is different with respect to N. Korea and Iraq, well ..... duh.
N. Korea already has a couple nukes and Iraq doesn't. The whole point of our actions in Iraq is to keep Iraq from getting to the point of N. Korea. A lot of you would prefer that the US wait in Iraq until it has nukes. Sorry. We'll just put out the match before it lights the burner in Iraq. The burner is already lit in N. Korea. That requires a different tactic. Actually, the N. Korea situation plays more into the hands of the Bush strategy of preemptorily taking action in trouble spots around the world BEFORE the situation gets more complicated.
N. Korea has not expressed an intent to USE its weapons nor has it used WMD against its neighbors or its own people. Containment of N. Korea and preventing the proliferation of WMD there is at least as much of a concern for its closest neighbors as it is for us. And, its neighbors have quite a lot of strength and influence that can be brought to bear on resolving this matter diplomatically.
Once we mop up in Iraq, diplomacy will have had a little more time to work in N. Korea. If no gains are made on the diplomatic front, a more agressive response will no doubt be forthcoming. Next year at this same time, maybe we can look forward to a new folder coming from Nadia outlining the number of deaths of children in N. Korea caused by the UN sanctions (er....read that US sanctions) unanimously imposed on it by the UN Security Council.
mallik will claim all the "rights" of british citizenship if he ever get stuck in north korea.
Yes, thats the sort of “expert” links that brother Seminole puts forward to support his flimsy case. ![]()
Now a simple question. What would happen to Iraq now if it expelled UN inspectors from the country?