USA is scared of North Korea and thats a fact. Because the USA knows that North Korea has the Atomic capabilty, and if USA attacks North Korea, it would lead to a Nuclear War, and thats something which the USA doesn't want. Why the United States isn't afraid to attack Iraq is because they know Iraq doesn't have the capability or resorces to give up much of a fight against the USA. And, USA knows that if it was to attack Iraq, Isreal is close by to help out, and no one in middle eat has the guts to get up and say NO to the USA for using its Airbases and Airspace. But if it comes to North Korea, there is only South Korea and Kapan close by. Also, China is close by to North Korea, and USA doesn't wanna mess with China either.
Malik and Yaasir :k: i agree.
… The difference of course is that with North Korea there is the threat of possible retaliation with nuclear weapons, or at the very least a very protracted, messy military confrontation… Bush II is adamant on getting re-elected, the sight of too many bodybags returning home would pretty much crush Dubya’s re-election hopes.
North Korea, Rogue nations continue to Ignore the U.S. / Free World
It’s seems North Korea is part of a growing trend of nations that think the U.S. is merely a “ Paper Tiger “, a bark of a dog with no bite as Saddam Hussein puts it. True the United States is a nation of peace and while that idea is mocked throughout many parts of the world it remains the truth. Nations such as North Korea believe the U.S. lacks not only the military might to quell such “fractions” but also the U.S. wouldn‘t make the sacrifices required to do so. There could be no greater mistake. The threat that North Korea (and other nations like it) poses to the United States is no less than what the United States faced in the Second World War. The fact is that weapons of mass destruction when fed into the wrong hands threatens not only innocent civilians but also freedom itself. Blackmail does not and cannot work. North Korea must unequivocally stop the reopening of their nuclear facilities. North Korea must unequivocally reestablish UN monitoring systems. North Korea must unequivocally abandon it’s WMD program. The rhetoric that has spewed out of North Korea and actions that have followed are quickly becoming ones that could propel the world into a situation that no country wishes to ever face. Perhaps a “ Paper Tiger ” would blow over in such situations, the United States will certainly not. Whether North Korea is able to make the deferential difference between the two will only be told with time, and soon.
Malik & Yaasir,
You guys are so jasbati’s that even before a bullet is fired from either side you have started your nonsense/comments. Today what Pakistan is, it is because of America. You guys are ungrateful for what America has done to pakistan. But still to keep the topic onboard here is a piece of article taken from Dawn dated 25.12.2002
http://www.dawn.com/2002/12/25/top17.htm
US can fight two wars simultaneously: Rumsfeld’s warning to North Korea
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld warned North Korea on Monday not to take advantage of America’s preoccupation with Iraq, as the United States is capable of fighting and winning two wars at once.
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That is absolutely correct. It is a fact that the US knows that North Korea has WMD, and North Korea is not denying that - in fact it is deliberately thumbing its noses at the US and saying it is restarting its programme. With Iraq it all claims, and nothing else to date - the UN inspectors have found nothing.
The US knows that if it dares launch any military strike against North Korea, the US troops in South Korea and Japan are in NK missile range, as is the South Korean capital, Seoul with its 20 million people. Then there are North Korea’s nuclear-armed neighbours - China and Russia, who are close allies of that state, and would never support any US military action in their backyard. There are many other reasons, but all add up to one thing - the US is scared of North Korea.
The level of hypocrisy expressed in the American reprimand of tiny North Korea is stunning-- and dangerous as well. The very possession of nuclear weapons by US is an invitation to others to acquire them. The biggest stumbling block to progress for nuclear disarmament lies within the misguided halls of power in the United States.
The statement that the North Koreans must "live up to treaties and agreements and obligations" before there can be negotiations heedlessly fails to acknowledge that the United States has utterly failed to live up to our own agreements and obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
In 1970, US, as a nuclear weapon state, to make good faith efforts for nuclear disarmament in return for a promise from the non-nuclear states, such as North Korea, not to acquire those lethal instruments. It renewed that promise in 1995 when the 25-year-old treaty was reviewed and extended. At the 2000 review conference US even promised anew to take 13 specific steps to achieve that goal, including ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, maintaining the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM), and making nuclear disarmament steps irreversible.
Bush has refused to submit the nuclear test ban treaty to Congress, has publicly withdrawn from the ABM Treaty, and has raised the budget of Dr. Strangeloves at the weapons labs to $5.6 billion per year for research and development on "bunker buster" weapons and new, smaller, more "usable" nuclear weapons, rendering the pledge of "irreversibility" a hollow promise.
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Another reason for the United States to be scared of North Korea.
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Malik, here are the facts on paper:
North Korea has over 300 Nodong-x missiles, which can reach Japan and Okinawa. It has a thousand Scud-B/C missiles, capable of hitting South Korea. Most worrisome for Dubya, it has Taepodong-x ICBMs, which can reach all the way across the Pacific and hit Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, and even Chicago.
What, Bush worry ? Nay dun think so ;)
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Malik, here are the facts on paper:
North Korea has over 300 Nodong-x missiles, which can reach Japan and Okinawa. It has a thousand Scud-B/C missiles, capable of hitting South Korea. Most worrisome for Dubya, it has Taepodong-x ICBMs, which can reach all the way across the Pacific and hit Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, and even Chicago.
What, Bush worry ? Nay dun think so ;)
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That is exactly why Mr. Bush is scared of North Korea, becasue it knows NK, has the missiles with the range that can hit USA, while Iraq can hit Isreal at the most. No wonder Mr. Bush wants to get the Missile Defense Program done by 2004.
How on earth is a country supposed to take on the US in a war,when it has no fuel,no food and no money to buy any?Yet you people are just happy that someone is thumbing their nose at US.
What about the people of NK?are they supposed to eat plutonium while this great war is fought by their mental retard of a ruler?
But i suppose it doesn`t matter about the people,they are not muslims after all,are they?
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PT, im not sure I understand ur reasoning here. US is not scared of NK but is scared of Iraq? Thats why its obsessed with supposedly disarming Iraq?
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5Abi,
Iraq is a dead meat. Yes, United States is not scared of NK. Neither Iraq. Pre-text war Bush Administration have already won in Nov. Election.
North Koreans are just bluffing that they will carried a Nuclear Test. They don't have enough Oil and Energy resource to do it. If they really do, why are they waiting? They should have done it in 1994. They are just trying to make a deal out of it from the United States so that this issue become settle and United States give them aid in Trillion Bucks.
Forget it, US will never do it. Diplomatic efforts have already been launched by the US in the shape of China, South Korea and Japan, not letting Koreans anywhere.
Diplomatic efforts eh? Have you read todays LA Times article? Let me post some excerpts:
**N. Korea Orders U.N. Inspectors to Leave **
VIENNA – North Korea on Friday ordered U.N. inspectors off its soil, escalating a confrontation with the United States and its allies and moving an important step closer to a resumption of its nuclear arms program
Experts said the expulsion of the inspectors would mean that North Korea could draw plutonium from its long-monitored inventory of spent fuel rods without being observed and build up to five new nuclear weapons, perhaps as soon as next summer.
The impoverished country would like an increase in aid, including fuel oil supplies that were cut off in the fall, after North Korea disclosed it had been pursuing a secret uranium-enrichment program. Uranium, like plutonium, can be used to build a nuclear bomb.
But some experts said the speed of North Korea’s recent steps suggests that the Stalinist regime may be more interested in building the arsenal than in squeezing additional concessions from the United States. If concessions were the goal, North Korea would probably be moving more slowly, and allowing more time for pressure to build on the United States, they said.
Joel Wit, a Korea specialist who was an official in the Clinton administration, said the expulsion order marks “a big change.” He said the rapid pace of North Korea’s moves makes it “more and more likely that they’re not interested in negotiations.”
He said that if the North Koreans take the next step and restart the reprocessing plant, “we can conclude they’re definitely not interested in talking.”
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(rest read on their website)
Yeah, I read it 5Abi.
You tell me one thing, why hasn’t N-K carried out Nuclear Tests?
*But some experts said the speed of North Korea's recent steps suggests that the Stalinist regime may be more interested in building the arsenal than in squeezing additional concessions from the United States. If concessions were the goal, North Korea would probably be moving more slowly, and allowing more time for pressure to build on the United States, they said. *
Yes, I think that sums it all up. Now what will the United States dare to do about it? So far not much. But North Korea's timing is perfect - just as the US is going after Iraq for allegedly the same thing. Before the world America's double standards or fear is being exposed, in regards to North Korea's WMD ambitions.
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How on earth is a country supposed to take on the US in a war,when it has no fuel,no food and no money to buy any?Yet you people are just happy that someone is thumbing their nose at US.
What about the people of NK?are they supposed to eat plutonium while this great war is fought by their mental retard of a ruler?
But i suppose it doesn`t matter about the people,they are not muslims after all,are they?
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Since when do you care about communist countries and their living standards?
New(s) to me!
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Since when do you care about communist countries and their living standards?
New(s) to me!
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As usual you miss the point entirely,i asked HOW the NK could even contemplate fighting a war,with no resources.
Apart from that,how do you presume to know what my feelings are toward communism?are you a physic now Ali?
North Korea does have the resources to defend itself. Im sure China and Russia will help out North Korea secretly to some extent if USA was to attack North Korea
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As usual you miss the point entirely,i asked HOW the NK could even contemplate fighting a war,with no resources.
Apart from that,how do you presume to know what my feelings are toward communism?are you a physic now Ali?
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BH, I don't need to be a clairvoyant to know you good enough.
NK, will chew US soldiers for breakfast and make gruel out of it for dinner. NK is stronger with force than IRAQ or Afghanistan is.
OK,i will give it one more try,the question is,HOW?
No country can fight a war without supplies,especially fuel.
Wishful thinking won`t make it so Ali,maybe you could just answer the question.
North Korea thumbs its nose again at the US again, by threatening to disregard the NPT treaty, and the Americans have now publicy ruled out waging war against them. How different from their war mongering against Iraq?
Even slapping sanctions on the North is opposed by the South, who seem more scared of than the US of the consequences.
South Korea not keen on sanctions against North
South Korea, underscoring differences with the United States, said on Monday that pressure and isolation would not persuade communist North Korea to halt its nuclear brinkmanship. South Korean President Kim Dae-jung speaking ahead of the departure of international arms inspectors kicked out of North Korea, said that dialogue was the only option. The United States has called for economic sanctions. Seoul also announced a flurry of diplomacy to ward off the crisis, triggered by the inspectors’ expulsion. Deputy Foreign Minister Lee Tae-shik was heading to Beijing later this week and Vice-Minister Kim Hang-kyung travels to Moscow the following week. “Pressure and isolation have never been successful with communist countries – Cuba is one example,” Kim told his cabinet, according to remarks published by the presidential Blue House. “We will work closely with our allies to solve this Korean peninsula problem and we will firmly oppose North Korea’s nuclear arms programme, but no matter what, we will pursue a peaceful solution,” he said. “We cannot go to war with North Korea and we can’t go back to the Cold War system and extreme confrontation.” Washington has said it will not launch a pre-emptive attack on North Korea, a nation which President George W. Bush has bracketed in an “axis of evil” along with Iraq and Iran, but has said it will ask its allies and the United Nations to support sanctions. It has also talked of blocking missile shipments to ensure North Korea does not raise revenue from proliferation. “We are not planning a pre-emptive strike,” Secretary of State Colin Powell told NBC television. “The United States has a full range of capabilities – political, economic, diplomatic and, yes, military. But we are not trying to create a crisis atmosphere by threatening North Korea.”
NOT PLANNING STRIKE
Powell’s words made headlines in South Korea, but did little to calm worries that have roiled Seoul’s financial markets since last week. The won currency traded weaker and Seoul’s main stock index closed down 4.5 percent on Monday, the year’s last trading day. North Korea has called sanctions tantamount to war and vowed not to bow to U.S. pressure. But Pyongyang said on Sunday a peaceful resolution would be possible if Washington guaranteed North Korea’s security with a non-aggression pact. “It is quite self-evident that dialogue is impossible without sitting face to face and a peaceful settlement of the issue would be unthinkable without dialogue,” a North Korean foreign ministry statement said. Powell ruled out immediate talks with the North Koreans, arguing that would reward Pyongyang for violating international agreements.
While Seoul sought support from North Korea’s traditional backers, it also expected to discuss strategy with its allies Japan and the United States in talks in Washington next week, a ministry official said. The foreign ministers of China and South Korea talked by telephone on Saturday, agreeing to seek a peaceful solution to the nuclear issue through dialogue, China’s state media said. President Kim will hand over power in February to President-elect Roh Moo-hyun, who has vowed to carry on Kim’s “sunshine policy” of aid and dialogue with the North. South Korea is loath to drive North Korea into a corner because Pyongyang has deployed the bulk of its 1.1-million-strong army, the world’s fifth largest, just across their common border. South Korea’s capital Seoul lies within range of the North’s artillery. But Kim and Roh both condemned North Korea last week after Pyongyang disabled U.N. monitoring devices at a nuclear plant that could produce weapons-grade plutonium – part of a programme that might have already produced one or two atomic bombs. On Friday, Pyongyang ordered inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency to leave, the latest escalation of a crisis analysts say is aimed at goading Washington and its allies into giving aid to the starving country of 22 million. North Korea also announced it was firing up a reprocessing laboratory that could convert spent fuel into the plutonium needed for making nuclear bombs and had begun moving fresh fuel rods to the five-megawatt research reactor in Yongbyon, 88 km (55 miles) north of Pyongyang. The Bush administration, which is keen to keep its focus on Iraq, is pushing the U.N. Security Council to take up the crisis on the world’s last Cold War frontier by January 12.
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OK,i will give it one more try,the question is,HOW?
No country can fight a war without supplies,especially fuel.
Wishful thinking won`t make it so Ali,maybe you could just answer the question.
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BH, is there a way that I could let you understand that I don't agree NK been short of ressources.