Is the current 25-35 yr old generation soft under the belly?

I was informed in another thread that walking or bicycling to work in Karachi is not an option - either you get robbed, kidnapped or run over by traffic.

I am quite sure on a given day in a typical Karachi street, there will be pedestrians and even bicyclists. So who are these folks and if they can do it, why cant the average Guppan/Guppie - especially the males (Guppies?).

Are the Guppies more fearful than the average man on the street? Or is it just the sign of the times - that we are too much of a couch potato to haul our xyz off the couch and walk a few km each day?

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Many guppies or guppans live overseas. Many were born overseas and they get their 'local' information about Karachi through Media and that uncle or cousin call who love to exaggerate things. Its just wrong perception and nothing else.

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^ Makes sense 6. I could not believe a major city would not have too many pedestrians, cyclists or a cost-effective public transportation that a person with limited budget can use to get back and forth from work.

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When i went to Pak for college, i had used bicycle for sometime. However, i see that the use of bicycle is decreasing, thugh there are still plenty around.

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how can a city function without pedestrians,bicycles.......

may be karachi is place with plentiful parking space...so anyone can drive his car where ever he wants to go...

bicycles r replaced by motorcycles here in india also

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It's probably not about age so much as it is about class and upbringing/background.

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Looks like a combination of background and age. I probably have at least 15 yrs on Icono - at that time, walking or bicycling was the norm (except for the rich). As the years have gine by, each visit to India I have seen a difference - as Hattori San mentioned, bicycles have been replaced by mobikes.

Glad to hear that more than safety issues (which appear overblown) the shift to petrol consuming life is more a function of the times and the background.

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I don't know. I hear it is more dangerous. My BIL was posted in karachi and when he got married everyone advised his wife to take minimal jewellery (like just tiny earrings).

If we look at other places, like London, my mum used to walk to school growing up but now if I lived in that same area, I'd not walk around at night alone or let my kids walk to school. I'm pretty sure the world all over is a less safe place.

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in pak there is no more trend of walking. ppl like to get off cars right beside the designated place even if they live a block away. instead its all abt being going to gyms now to maintain status. and those gyms are pathetic, suffocating places. All those who walk or use bicylcles are the ones who belong to lower class and have no cars or bikes. So if u walk like i used to when i went few months back to close by places u'll be the only one, rest will all be massis and chapprasis.

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^ @stoppit excellent point re: world getting incrementally less safe with time. There are reports of desi folks being targeted for their jewellery in Atlanta and now in Fremont, CA. People follow them home and rob them - since in desi culture, some keep jewelry at home.

IMO, some of the safety issues are matters of perception. With the internet age, each robbery gets magnified, and pretty soon we are conditioned to believe crime is increasing exponentially.

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And that is a pity. Those who have less are polluting less. Those who have more are polluting more. And since they are in their vehicles, they are not breating the CO2, CO, SOx and NOx that their cars are emittin. The people on the streets, while contributing zero to these emissions, end up breathing these gases.

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Yes, so true!

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What has the world come to when walking and cycling to work or someplace is seen as something only the underclass do. In western cities cycling and walking are positive and healthy ways to commute. Even for a boss of a company or management.

I agree with the OP many of us have developed a soft selfish side.

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The opposite is also true where native guppans think the streets are paved with gold overseas, from stories made up by cousins and uncles. Like how wild women are in the west and how every one lives. Or by getting info from movies etc and thinking thats how life is.

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Just tell me , how many of you been to karachi in last 180 days , and then we will talk about it !

or when did you last visited karachi and for how long ?

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Naabigh, I do not think one has to have gone to Karachi to reasonably conclude that walking and cycling is not as close to a near-death experience as it is portrayed.

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O Phaleez! We can walk, bicycle, move around, go to cinemas, dine out, shop around in Karachi, Lahore and any other big city of Pakistan as normally as any other place. The media portrays a grim picture & our fellow Pakistanis believe it.

What @stoppit is saying is right, taking minimal jewellery is a wise thing to do, though.

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Please take some time out to read this :

Urban Transportation Problems in Pakistan

A comprehensive review of many research reports/articles and policy documents identified the following urban transport related problems in Pakistani cities (Ali and Gazder 2010; Haider and Badami 2007; Imran 2009, 2010; NTRC 1991, 2001, 2009; Querishi et al. 2008; Russell and Anjum 1997; SMEDA 1999; Sohail 2000; TSDI 2001; Uddin and Ali 2007; Uddin et al. 2009; Uddin 2010; Uddin and Uddin 2010; URC 2001):

 Rapid urbanisation (5% per annum in Karachi and over 3% per annum in other cities),economic growth (over 5% per annum) and motorisation (over 13% per annum).

 Inadequate public transport and transit services in general and for women in particular, lack of female rider considerations in transit vehicle stocks.

 Inadequate transport infrastructure networks, poorly designed and constructed roadways, and lack of or insufficient roadside drainage facilities for surface runoff.

 Lack of consideration of pedestrian friendly facilities in transport infrastructure design (in view of 50‐60% non‐motorised trips in major cities).

 Poor traffic management resulting in increased congestion, travel time, emissions, and wastage of fuel.

 Degradation of air quality in cities especially particulate matter pollution which is 6‐ 10 times above World Health Organization (WHO) standards. This has led to increase in respiratory diseases, deteriorated public health, and increased health costs.

 Inadequate road safety measures shown by increased road crashes and fatalities (19 fatalities per 10,000 vehicles per annum or over 5000 fatalities per year) involving a relatively large proportion of pedestrians and bike/motorcycle riders.

 Increasing transport energy demand (importation of crude oil increased from 45.5% in 1990‐91 to 71.8% in 2003‐04; transport sector accounted for an average of 48.7% of total petroleum consumption between 1990 and 2004; petroleum demand increased by an average of 4.9% annually between 1990 and 2004).

 Institutional barriers in urban and transport planning and operating agencies
**

Key Findings from 2007 MITS Stakeholders Workshop and Evidence of Traffic Management Performance**

Karachi MITS stakeholders’ group workshop (Uddin and Ali 2007) identified following categories of traffic problems. The following bullets summarize highlights of these problem areas andevidence from 2007‐2010 traffic management performance evaluation:

 Road User Safety Problems ― These problems include: overcrowded transit buses and other vehicles (minivans, auto‐rickshaws, motorcycles), excessive vehicle speed, overloaded and speedy freight trucks, lack of safety restraints and enforcement of applicable laws, lack of traffic control devices, roadway design and parking management problems, and inadequate traffic law enforcement.

Evidence from 2007‐2010 traffic management performance evaluation in Karachi:

Construction of U‐turn lanes and overhead pedestrian crossings on several busy roads enhanced traffic flow and pedestrian safety. However, non‐existent or inadequate roadway drainage facilities along most roads and newly constructed signal‐free corridors make them inconvenient and hard to use by most travelling public during heavy rainy season.

 Public Transport and Transit Problems ― These problems include: inadequate transit services, poor fleet conditions, and lack of innovative strategies to invest in public transport.

Evidence from 2007‐2010 traffic management performance evaluation in Karachi:

Increased use of CNG auto‐rickshaws is a good sign because it reduces CO2, other pollutants and noise. No improvement in other public transport, transit fleet and operation is evident by overcrowded transit buses and vans, even people hanging from doors and sitting on the roof during afternoon peak hours endangering their safety. Many of these vehicles are old with faulty brakes, worn tires, and high emissions due to insufficient and ineffective official vehicle inspection programs. There is lack of government investment in public transport infrastructure and services/vehicle fleet and regularization of private transit services.

 Institutional and Infrastructure Issues ― These issues include: identifying the ‘right’ problems, setting priorities, effective use of resources, poor communication within or between agencies and public, lack of rational decision making, and coordination
with emergency service organisations.

*Key Findings from First International Conference on Sustainable
*

Transportation & Traffic Management, July 1‐3, 2010, Karachi The International conference on sustainable transport and traffic management (Rafeeqi et al. 2010) was organized by NED University in Karachi on July 1‐3, 2010 and attended by transport planning officials, researchers, and academia from around Pakistan. The participants discussed and unanimously identified the following traffic management and associated landuse and development issues facing Pakistani cities:

 Mixed landuse and high population densities in the inner city attract people and traffic for work and commercial purposes. Due to lack of pedestrian/non‐motorised facilities and poor or non‐existing public transport/transit services, public transport relies heavily on privately owned and operated buses and other transport vehicles (van, car, motorcycle, taxi, auto‐rickshaw).

These modes of travel overcrowd the scarce road space and are responsible for increased number of crashes, severe congestion, wastage of fuel and energy, and alarming levels of air pollution.

 The most neglected part of transport planning and practice is the social aspect. The concern is how to make transport friendly for women and other disadvantaged groups of the society. The proportion of number of women in Pakistan's labour force and enrolment in educational and technical training centres has increased significantly over the last two decades. However, safe and comfortable means of transportation to facilitate their mobility has neither increased nor improved. Women are facing significant physical and mental harassments in crowded and inadequate public transport system and transit buses in Pakistan.

 In view of the large proportion of pedestrian traffic and walking trips in Pakistani cities, either there are limited or no provisions for pedestrian
friendly facilities. This is due to lack of understanding of the role of pedestrians in a multimodal transport system. As a result, there has been a
long period of absence of appropriate urban transport policies and under investments in pedestrian friendly road transport facilities in Pakistani cities.

This is just a bloody glimpse of the situation .... That's why I said , I would have a discussion with some one who have been to karachi lately ... So atleast we both know , what are we talking about

And I again say ... In a city with a population of *18000000 Approx . *​You wont get more then 5,000 bicycles ..

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Respectfully, what you have described is nothing unique to urban transportaion in Pakistan. I am glad you posted this. Just confirms the view that walking and cycling in Pakistan is like doing so in a crowded Indian city. So if one lives with 6 km of one's workplace, it is feasible to get there, IMO, without the aid of a motor vehicle.

Thanks.

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O bhai - you are talking about karachi .. where if one has to go to the commercial area , which is within 1 or 1.5 km radius normally , People use bloody motorcycles for the journey... Again no bicycles ...

Feasible .. Indeed .. but doable , depending on many related factors .. I don't think so !