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Not really... but you are entitled to your superficial copy-and-paste outlook... as for what sokoon said, she doesn't even know the difference between Qur'an and hadith it seems…
But she seems to have a better grasp on the relevant message and context than most...
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Not really... but you are entitled to your superficial copy-and-paste outlook... as for what sokoon said, she doesn't even know the difference between Qur'an and hadith it seems…
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I don't really care what you think of ME personaly. This is a religious discussion forum and everyone is entitled to express his/her views, of course you too. I don't know why you are so grumpy all the time.
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Okay... just next time when you steal your arguments wholesale from other sites and present them here as your own you might want to think again... hey, maybe that's why you are so hot under the collar about the Qur'anic injunction on stealing...
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Okay... just next time when you steal your arguments wholesale from other sites and present them here as your own you might want to think again... hey, maybe that's why you are so hot under the collar about the Qur'anic injunction on stealing...
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You really like getting personal.....don't you. HA HA AH anyway enjoy what you are good at. But you can't stop people critisizing Islam and Quran. all you can do is to explain quran with logic and reason so that non muslims can understan quran better.
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So when are you going to start employing "logic and reason" in your posts?
Re. To gupguppy
Hi!!!
To discuss from open heart.
First thing take out from your mind that I might be knowing less than many renowned moullanas.
I need not to prove it.
Come on, try to read it carefully, you would say she is right. Look you do not know me at all, also I do not know any one on forum, but I respect every ones point of view. Every one is good at Deen and perhaps you too.
Listen: Was not 1400 years before the facilities for passing life were, very very poor.
Do they had erasors, do they had cemented house of the kind we have?
Had they enjoy the kind of automatic taps we have in wash rooms.?
Had they kitten factory?
Were there hair colors of different shades?
Were there tooth paste ,and tooth polish?
Were there cars?
Were their Air conditions? etc etc etc
Of course not!!
So their reach of thought for certain punishment declaration used to be
according to their facilities,their prevailing environment. This is true and this is the fact.
Do not mix QURAN with Ahadeez please.
AHadeez have been collected and written by average intelligent people of those days.
No one is doubting their sincerity, no one wants to end up in hell.
Be thoughtful.
Not all but many ahadeez can not be implemented in todays technically advanced environment of the present world. So if my point of view is ok for one hadeez it is ok for all.
We must read them, follow them.
those days ladies used to walk from place to place or used to travel on camels. It used to keep them a few days in the way.
Today sit in the car and reach the destiny within few hours or sit in aeroplane and fly and reach in few hour.
For example
Those days they had a kind of sessor, so they used to beautify the beard one fist long. They used to keep long hair, He(P) used to color his hair with HINNA and he(p) used to use Surma for eyes, and maswak for his(P) teeth. etc etc
This was only, resources available which could be used by him(P) to beautify him self, in those days, maximum he(P) used to beautify himself(P). Let us say He(P) used to present himself to the best possible ways those days.
Why shall you think beautifying oneself is MAASEYA. It is not. since it has been asked from men by GOD not to hide your richness.
Therfore what I say;
there is basic mistake in understanding of sunnat from the above actions of SURKARE DOU ALLAM.
Physical appearance HINNA, SURMA, MISWAK, ZULFEEN and one fist beard keeping can never ever be sunnat.
I say sunnat is not what and how he(P) appeared, or his(P) mere appearance
.SUNNAT IS the reason; why he used to have that appearance or why he used to do those actions.
So from all above actions of our Prophet(pbuh),I conclude sunnat as follows: sunnat in this high tech. environment is to,
Keep your hair neat, not untidy, if they are of mixed color better dye them.
Keep your teeth neat and clean, Take care of eyes, keep them clean.
Decorate your beard. One can trim it nicely, not like most of the men who keep it so untidy, sticky ,uncombed , mixed colored.
Muslims, who are poor and are labours, stay very untidy, as they do not even tie their beard like seiks.
So keeping oneself, neat, presentable is sunnat. Not keeping one self the way people used to keep themselves in those days.
Similarly there are so many things which are used as sunnat taking actions. No one sees in depth; what really the Hadeez wanted people to develop in them.
And in place, of those actions, what shall we do to achieve the same goal.
So I understand that meaning of sunnat has been taken as wrong.
It has been taken on its physical aspect (action).
No one think about the soul of the sunnat or ahadeez. God keep you all safe and sound amin suma amin Sokoon
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Do not mix QURAN with Ahadeez please.
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You did... you said something was from "Ahadeez" whereas it was in fact from the "QURAN" ;)...
Reply to Mr. M. and all other readers----
Dear Mr. M, & all respected Readers,
Assalam ale kum,
Your question is, who would decide?; which of the 1400years old saying can not be implemented now.
Some group of people , who are educated, scientifically as well as religiously can make a committees and can discuss and do this job.
By the grace of GOD we have a lot of them in our country. Why can not Pakistan should take initiative in this regard.
Some of us can be the observers to further their discussions regarding a particular saying.
This is most relevant and badly needed in this technically advanced time, for new generation to understand.
It is high time. Some of these things look absurd in these days; but in his (P) time it was ok to use them like that.
One reason was that the people were not literate, they were JAHILS and very simple. And it was difficult to explain it to them. So they were made to change as better or good people by declaring punishments, according to that prevailing environment.
Even in Quran there are such kind of punishments and rewards. All these were according to the mental capabilities and environment of most illeterate people.
Such as in Jannat there would be HOUREEN. etc etc
To keep men straight.
All these examples are for the worst people of any social environment.
To prove, this and further my point , let me tell you, the following easy example of a good teacher.
A teacher teaches, gives examples , keeping in mind the worst students' mental level. She gives all such examples, and she explains such that even the worst student must follow, her teaching.
Any teacher who can not explain to the weakest possible student can not be considered as a good teacher.
So GOD has also send QURAN keeping in mind -----theeeeeArabs and their culture then.Did you notice how much repeatition is in Quran. As this is/was the culture of arabs and is still the same. They repeat even, KEEIF HAL many times.
Bless you all. Wassalam Sokoon
P.S: Kindly discuss , do not think I have agenda to make you people sad. Not at all.
These are the things I feel and wanted to share with you all.
Forums are better communication agencies, since we do not know each other and can discuss things in length until we reach to some conclusion.
God is all knowing most merciful. He knows my intention the best. I am very comfortable in discussing these topics. Since I am a qualified person and need to know my defects in thinking, if any.
Every one of us if feel easy and do not have preconceived conception can discuss well.
You do not know me. There is every possibility that I might not have any religion, So would you all behave this way.
Is this behaviour of ----absusing and ----etc etc good for our recognition as Pakistani.
Please calmly take the topic read ,follow,what other person wants to discuss, and reply. So that we all should benefit.
Some of our religious moullanas say , that they also have computers, so they claim to be highly technically literate.
But infact knowing use of computer is just like writing TAKHTEY with QALAM. Everyone must know it. It is not special technical knowledge.
It also works for a postman, telex,fax,telephone and some people use it as a teacher to study some thing.