Is South Asian unity between Pakistanis and Indians possible?

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Shaz, I hate to say this because I dont like insulting people but your entire argument is very immature. You know who you remind me of? Again, I dont want to say it but Ill say it:

* **Yup, young people who will sway their mind and decisions every other minute according to a paper they've read, some TV they watch living ABROAD, some rumors they hear from people around them and thats IT. Kids like you dont have an opinion of your own because **you've already been brainwashed by some fool around you. *

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Hahahahaah, i knew you would say this, after all what can i expect from an old aunty?

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You have lost it and now you are calling me a little kid? Typical aunty! Why don't you answer the questions that i asked you? Why don't you actually do anything rather than coming here and telling us your bakwaas? After all you are our future leader who's gonna unite Indian nd Pakistanis muslims, i am right na?

(The bold part above) You know what? Stoping watching bollywood thrash and read some facts......I have been brainwashed? Seems like you know a lot about me.....

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Its a very very very easy thing to do, hating Indians and Indian Muslims...also cowardly. However, its harder to swallow your anger, look past the fighting and think about the greater good for your fellow Muslims.
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You need to give this adivce to those people who hate us that too for no reason at all.....

Is south Asian unity between Pakistanis and Indians possible?


Moving on:

Kids like us have a legit opinion which is yet to be heared, and our opinion isnt forged by “heart firing newes such as BBC or CNN or none what so ever” They forged by one true fact that everything is going in the wrong direction, it has nothing to do with TV or any other news we hear from others. Watching TV news and reading papers after that does not mean that we are being brainwashed we are keeping out selves updated upon whats going on in this world.

TIP: When you start picking on people beyond any reason that means you have lost the argument and now you are just draging all over the thread which is far more emberessing.

With age and maturity we do understand the suffering of humen. Yet we can not do anything about it because none of us are enrolled as a Polition. If you are soo matured why not roll as a polition and do something about “suffering of humen?” NOTE: Its not that we dont want to do anything about it? Its just that we cant. Because there are 1000s of politions booked to take the seat and ruin the lands. My suggustion to you is, instead of whining and trying to tell us how mature you are, why dont you enroll as a polition and take a step in to the dump to clean it, ease the suffering of humen, bring peace to the lands and sattle differences.

Do you even know why we Pakistaniz hate Indians? Like I stated before There wasnt a single time Pakistan have not thought about re-uniting and be at peace because we have nothing against Indians, but hindues who happen to be the Leaderans in India always try to throw crap at us and blame us for it. Big wide example? This attempt to bring us to have active war indian Leaderans started their own politics in their country, Bomb blasts and blood shedded fights and all. They blamed it on one Pakistani since Pakistan was at the same state. No matter how Pakistaniz apologyzed (even though it wasnt their fault, it was indians who were doing this in both countries) Indians were settled in their minds that “we must have a war now.” (Jung to honi hi chahiye) By one of Indian’s Leaderans.

This isnt coming from any news or anything like that. Its just a common sense like no matter what you see on TV read in Papers you know what exactly ones’ intentions are and what is going to happen.

1990s Hindues shot one of the airbus and it crash landed in Pakistan, they dragged it across the border and blamed us for flying in their territory. Where as BBC happened to be there and captured the entire scene what happened. We after that said that “God we havent seen that one coming.” So much for brain washing. :hehe:
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Relax. Name-calling will not be tolerated. period!

Argue and debate intellectually, name-calling is not the way to do it.

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Unity is a small task, and it is possible. Anything's possible with the right kind of people leading the effort. Every camp has both doves and hawks. It's important to find the balance in views, and build on what is common.

For muslims of both Pakistan and India, the arabia of Pre-Islam and the arrival of Islam via Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) should serve as a prime example of what unity is all about. It is not about traditions or cultural practices, it is about uniting under one cause (be it humanity, or religion).

For non-muslim Indian friends, Gandhi philosophy can serve as a good guide to seek friendship without taking up the means which lead to violence.

Unity is a message every major religion preaches, it's just that we all have people who have stronger reservation about certain aspects of unity than others. It's an art of balance, and with enough good-will, sincerity, and intent of peace, it can be achieved.

If you asked me a good question, I would have answered it but all you have done is started jumping up and down and hyperventilating at the thought of those horrible Indians being anywhere near your destined-for-heaven self. If you had said ANYTHING productive, point it out right now. If you said ANYTHING that encouraged dialogue and discussion, point it out now. If you said ANYTHING intelligent, point it out now. Or rather dont...that might be an embarassing task for you.

Anyway, yes dear. You have been brainwashed and remind me of . How? Because you dont think for yourself and its pretty obvious. You're not old enough to use your mind yet, although I have seen more mature 17 year olds. Oh and Im not an aunty at all, I just like to call you beta because you sound like a child. Its comes naturally to people around you, kwim?

Here is what I will do: I will leave you to your devices now because its not like your ranting will sway Pakistan into self-destruction like you want them to. IF you really loved your country, you would have thought about its well-being and not having to be near those - ohmygosh - horrible Indians. IF you really cared about Pakistan, your primary concern would be trying to stop the bloodshed of your fellow Pakistanis. Not the destruction of the country and its people.

But seeing as you only have your own selfish motives in mind and cant really think about your country, you're no longer someone I can argue with. To argue with me, you would have to have an IQ higher then that of cabbage. Obviously you dont and that puts you at a disadvantage. Now how can I possibly take advantage of a 17 year old child?

Talk to me when you start to think clearly.

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Guys, please stop mudslinging each other. You're both Patriotic Pakistanis, so please discuss the topic at-hand, rather than discussing each other.

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Otay.

Even before the arugment started, you were convinced you will "win" it just becuase you are older than me...

And when you don't have nothing good to say , you start calling me a "suicide bomber", immature and blah blah....

If this is what you call "maturity" than i am better off being "immature".....

And do you know why i called you an aunty? Not because you sound like one, but you are one......

And if i had asked you a good question you would've asnwered it? What question, your whole arguement here is pathetic, even wondered why no one seem to agree with you here in this thread and the other thread u opened long time ago called "Proud Pakistani?".

Just relax, sit down read the thread again and think again what you have been saying.....

And the green part above, care to explain it further please?

And the rest bold part above, does it even make sense?

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Adeel and Shaz,

5 pages of this thread and umpteen pages of the other thread show only one thing: We disagree when it comes to the idea of Pakistanis and Indians being friends. I believe in diplomacy and being on good terms with them because they are home to so many of our fellow Muslims among other reasons. But I feel that way about any country and India is no exception. Especially when most of Pakistan was once Indian.

No, I will never agree to hate. We've all been hating for 60 years now and where exactly has it gotten us? Nowhere.

Do I think Pakistan and India should become one country? No. The point of Pakistan was to provide a place for South Asian Muslims to be able to practice Islam and be governed by Islamic laws. So, uniting them into one country will not help. However, I do believe cultivating some sort of positive relationship can only help us and our fellow Muslims. Being Pakistani on its own holds no value in the eyes of God. However, it can if its used to reach out to people who need us and only at that point does it become a source of pride.

Like I said before: try singing the qaumi tarana on your death bed, aint gonna help. The kalma might. What does that mean?

Ive already stated my perspective and dont need to keep repeating myself which is what I feel Im doing now.

There you go again! You dont give up do you. May I remind you that Pakistan was not a political experiment (the very same thought was fed to your brain). Pakistan was made because Muslims were being killed by hindues and were treated like dirt. They burned down our houses killed many of us, you have no idea what tourment they've brought to us. Indian Hindues I mean. We were slaves to Britin and Indians. As a result our Muslim league Leaderans were heart chocked and decided to give a place where Muslims can live in peace, dignity, unity, faith and dicipline. Named it Islamic Republic of Pakistan. When we were about to miegrate to Pakistan the Indian leaderans signed kashmeer to be the part of india where 95% of Kashmeer is a muslim, people agreed and were soo happy to be a part of Pakistan, but they were assigned to India. Why? Because Indians never liked the idea of leaving their slaves, and want to start war with us over and over. They have been trying to throw crap at us soo many times and try to blame us for their mistakes, yet we apologyze to them all the time.

And there wasnt one time when Pakstan havent thought of re-befriending India and forget about the past. And India throw crap at us prior to 2-5 years they plan to do something like whatever is happening in India and Pakistan and them Blame Pakistan. Where as we all know that it is India. Its just keeps on happening.

We did recovered and freed a big piece of land in Kashmeer and called it Azaad Kashmeer.

I never asked you to start hating us, I just said you hate us in many ways weather you admit it? Or not.

Its almost like you are hiding your left hand (holding a knife) and forwarding your right one to shake hands and when I do, you strike me with your left hand. And I cant do anything about it because I live right beside you.

After whatever you said, this is assured. You are the one who brain washes people. You just put 50 years of history of Pakistan under your shoes and bringing your own shytty logic to us. Which is not acceptable.

Chalo maan lo We become friends and do whatever now whats ganna happen to Jamu Kashmeer? Is it going to be freed and make a complete nation on its own?

Will they get to decide what nation they should be with if they wish to join a nation?

Will indians bring peace to Pakistan the same way Pakistan have been trying to bring it to them?

You know like I said you have failed the argument, you have been picking on shaz for a while and because of you I got an "infraction warning." Just becuase I stood up for him once. Now dont try to bring your logic and clearify yourself because I judged you right after reading your first post.

You are not here to end the discussion, you are here to win. Which is what Indian hindues do most of the time, and Pakistanis who are suckups to Indians also, in most cases. I am not going to be a part of this, Shaz is not going to be a part of this. You have my Sympathy.
Good luck in Forum Trolling.
Fi Amaan Allah.

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Adeel25

You cursed at me and called me a b**** right? Did I call you one? Nope.

You first swore at me and now are leaving me messages on my profile asking me irrelevant questions for no reason at all.

A) Stop stalking me...I didnt stalk you.

B) Please do not address me again until you can speak to me without cursing.

Stalking you? Shakal daekhi hay upni? I didnt call you a b****. Nor I stocked you. There was one question I asked a month ago and I am sorry for it. That doesnt mean I was stalking you.

First you swore at shaz calling him a suicide bomber then you started forum trolling on me. The question was relevant. "were you defending Pakistan or was just forum trolling." If you think this question is irrelevant then you seriously need a life and anger management classes.

For starters:

A) Get over yourself, I have better things to do in my life then to just stalk you.
B) Please do not even think I'll be coming to your profile to asking such questions you and girls like you deserve this sort of treatment because then you will realize what you really are.
C) Next time please dont make multi nicks to trap people like this. The question I asked was about a month ago. I even forgot about it.

Do these things then you will earn my respect Miss. PSquad, and Whatever other nicks you've got.

Good luck.

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