yes, He doesnt worry bout the head being bare of the burqa....
infact neither do i....
the thing to worry about is what that ultimately leads to....
u dont think bikinis emerged in a day, do u????
today i toss of the burqa, tomorrow something else, and by the time, if u even do, realize, u'll have put urself into a situation that u need to worry about (not God)....
Re: Re: Is She MUSLIMAH or NOT ???
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You give Salam to everyone in the room all at once. Then go around asking everyone's names.
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This wasnt get to know eachother session Mushi :P
And no you dont barge into room and at top of your voice shout 'Salaam', in this circumstance i had to greet everyone individually. I'd rather you understood circumstance then posted.
Ana :
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari Book 25, Number 5389, Narrated AbuHurayrah
Allah's Messenger said: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Beleive it or not, i dont realy care!
Faisal: No its not unanimous, i think that there are different rulings and opinions on this. Inshallah i will post later with different rulings on this...
There are several Hadith mentioned in the Sahih Muslim in the “Kitab us Salaam” chapter 904 Hadith no. 5382 in which Allah’s Messenger (Pbuh) said “when the Jews offer you salutations, some of them say Assam-Alaykum (death be on you) you should say (in response to it) let it be upon you i.e. Alaykum.
So for Jews and Chrisitians you offer the reply but with Alaykum which is what i understand from following hadith and article...
May Allah zawjal frgive me for any mistakes.
Ma'salaama
I agree with Ana on the pushing Christians and Jews into the narrowest part of the street - that seems far-fetched, which creates doubt upon the whole article.
I was under the impression that you say salaam to everyone, regardless of their faith.
As for the two "hindu" looking girls - you were in the midst of girls only, it seems. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they took their hijaabs or naqaabs off because they were in a room full of women?
I know many ladies who wear burqas, but when they take them off in a company of women, they look very stylish. And I dont see what is so un-muslim about being stylish.
DS - There are numerous fabricated hadith. This seems to be one of them. Whether u care or not is not the issue, the issue is pinning the blame of a hate-filled sentiment such as pushing people, on the Holy Prophet of Islam.
Also, you are incorrect in your assumption of having to greet people individually. You walk into a room, you announce "As Salam Alaikum", it covers the whole gathering, angels included, whether you want it to or not.
The heart of this issue was discrimination in treatment of another human being, based on dress. It was not just a question of greeting/non-greeting, but how a person's demenor changes when facing another person who does not conform to his/her requirements.
Islam does not ask us to mete out different treatments to people of different faiths unless our religion, lives and property are in danger. For example, when you sip coca cola in the company of muslims and hindus, you do not carry out your Islam by serving the Muslim a drink hospitably, and suspiciously regarding the Hindu. That is not what a tolerant religion is about.
How disgusting.
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I know many ladies who wear burqas, but when they take them off in a company of women, they look very stylish. And I dont see what is so un-muslim about being stylish.
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I think you still need to have some modesty even if you are in a room full of only women. esp. if there are non-Muslim women present.
If you believe in God then surely u believe in the devil. In that case you also believe that the devil insights your conscious to do evil or think evil thoughts sometimes. In that case is it not possible that a dream can be influenced from the devil also? If it is, then how can one rely on one's sub conscious feelings and judgement on certain issues. I ask you, what is the purpose of Allah sending messengers to the Earth and the purpose of books being sent with them?
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Your right.
My dreams don't constitute any religious law whatsover.
Never could. Never would.
But they do guide my unconsciense mind to think about God, and whether I am am obedient to God's commands, and also make me try to behave in a way that would be most pleasing to God. Try.
And I don't think...whether my head is covered in a burqua ... is one of God's most pressing worries. Don't know for sure, but don't imagine he spends much time contemplating on fashion.
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For guidance to all of mankind ofcourse. So that people like you and me don't make the rules around here.
Dai_Sista: Chill.
It wasn’t fair that you judged them non_muslim from their dress or lack of it.
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It wasn’t fair that you judged them non_muslim from their dress or lack of it.
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Yes as i have said may Allah forgive me if i made a mistake in that !
pyari: Even amongst women there should be sense of Hijaab...
But.... as muslimah's ,Allah zawjal has given us a modest dress, He tells us what is good for us always. The muslim woman's identity is her Hijaab. In any case we should be distinguishable from non-muslim.
Mushi: im chilling dear !
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I would like you to refer to this article Inshallah...
If I meet a person and I do not know whether he is a kaafir or a Muslim, should I say salaam to him or return his greeting or not?
Praise be to Allaah.
It was reported in the hadeeth that you should say salaam to those you know and those you do not (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 12; al-Fath 1/55) but this applies only to Muslims, or those who appear to be Muslim. It was also reported that it is forbidden to say salaam to Jews and Christians, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam to a Jew or Christian, and if you meet them in the street, push them to the narrowest part of the road.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2167). He also said: “If the People of the Book greet you with salaam, say ‘wa ‘alaykum’ (and also upon you).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6258).
But at that time the People of the Book were distinct from the Muslims in their dress and appearance, and they were not allowed to resemble Muslims. But in these times, unfortunately, many Muslims look like them, and we can no longer tell the difference between a Muslim and a Christian. Everyone - except for those whom Allaah wills – looks the same in dress, in being clean-shaven, in wearing nothing on their heads, or wearing western-style caps, so the matter is more confusing. If someone who looks like the mushrikeen says salaam to you, say “Wa ‘alaykum,” and do not initiate the greeting, because of the uncertainty about him. If he objects and tells you off, then apologize to him. You had reason to act as you did, because you did know whether he was a Muslim or a Christian, because he is not dressing as a Muslim and prefers the dress of the Christians and others. Tell him that “whoever imitates a people is one of them” (Saheeh, narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 2/50-92), and advise him to distinguish himself from the kuffaar and to dress as the Muslims dress, like his father, grandfathers and the scholars of the Muslims. If he persists in what he is doing, this means that he likes the characteristics of the Christians and is imitating them, and that he despises the Muslims and is going against them, even though he does not gain anything from that besides blind imitation. This indicates that he admires those kuffaar and thinks that their worldly achievements and inventions, etc., stem from their false religion. This is going too far, for the Muslims are wiser and more able to invent and produce, so he should not be deceived by the Mushrikeen.
Al-Lu’lu’ al-Makeen fi Fataawaa al-Shaykh ibn Jibreen, p. 49
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Jazaakillaah khair sister, for posting the Shaikh's advice
WasSalaam
The 'Shaikh' is not my God... I sure do hope he's not anyone elses.
If u want others to believe Islam is really a religion of 'tolerance' or 'peace'.. stop being such hypocrites and actually BECOME 'peaceful' and 'tolerant'.
Conveying 'peace be on you' to ANYONE should not and CANNOT be considered wrong.. how on earth can it be wrong.. is that voice inside of you dead?? doesn't something somewhere feel wrong when u're told that u cannot convey 'peace' on someone you think follows a different religion than yours?
This thread and some participants in it are the reason people view Islam as a retarded religion.. I don't blame them one bit.. we haven't managed to research without prejudice and declare fabricated stories untrue.. rather we'd invent subjective methods of selection and call the lame process a 'science' and embrace every little tale concoted by some old enemies of Islam and give it religious status.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
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The 'Shaikh' is not my God...
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Glad to hear that.
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...we haven't managed to research without prejudice and declare fabricated stories untrue..
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
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Quite the opposite. In fact 'we' have researched without prejudice and declared many a fabricated story untrue.
But rather, you have not "managed to research 'without' prejudice and declare" authentic narrations true! You are not even open to researching them.
... and i say to anyone, if you have doubts on an authenticated hadeeth, then carry out your own research if you are sincere. How will you prove to me that you are correct in what you say, if you cannot even point out to me where the mistake lies, and the link in the chain is weak?
If you speak the truth, then bring forth your evidence. The hadeeth has been authenticated, it is your turn to prove otheriwse.
&peace
Not your fault....
In any case, it is always better to have made a mistake for giving a wrong salam to a kafir than hurting ppl feeling.
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Quite the opposite. In fact 'we' have researched without prejudice and declared many a fabricated story untrue.
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No, not 'without prejudice'.. which is why the Shia sect has their own corpse of the hadith literature with a different view of a history shared by all sects.
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But rather, you have not "managed to research 'without' prejudice and declare" authentic narrations true! You are not even open to researching them.
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I have done my share of reading through the literature, but I fail to see how the burden of proof is on me. it's like the US asking Iraq to prove it DOESN"T have weapons!
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... and i say to anyone, if you have doubts on an authenticated hadeeth, then carry out your own research if you are sincere. How will you prove to me that you are correct in what you say, if you cannot even point out to me where the mistake lies, and the link in the chain is weak?
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we're not talking 'link in the chain' we are talking the whole chain.. it's not needed, it is indeed misguiding and it was indeed introduced in the religion to divert people from Allah's rope.
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If you speak the truth, then bring forth your evidence. The hadeeth has been authenticated, it is your turn to prove otheriwse.
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Ok.. Allah tells me to always ascertain news when they come to me... and a favorable method is 1. writing.. 2. witnesses.
So show me the orignial transcript of the hadith as it was written down.
Also please guide me to four witnesses who also heard it verbatim from the Prophet besides Mr. Abu Huraira who is in the habit of citing hadiths which have no other witnesses to corroborate. We will then get down to four witnesses every link of the chain.
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So show me the orignial transcript of the hadith as it was written down.
Also please guide me to four witnesses who also heard it verbatim from the Prophet besides Mr. Abu Huraira who is in the habit of citing hadiths which have no other witnesses to corroborate. We will then get down to four witnesses every link of the chain.
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so can u show me the original script of the Quran as it was written down????
also please guide me to four witnesses who also heard it exactly as it is (besides muslims who claim it is original)....
and when u cant then tell me what "youminoona bil-ghaib" means....
Audhubillah
Listen, belive it or not! Nobody is forcing you to accept this Hadith.
Can we have meaningful conversation here.
Are thre any different rulings by the madhabs regarding the issue of Salaam to non-muslim?
Salaam means peace be with you, This is not merely a condescending phrase or lip-service to only people you may know, or like, but rather what you sould feel in your heart and share anyone.
How is it that you claim Islam to be a religion of Peace, when there is so much contention regarding offering someone who does not share your faith a simple greeting of Peace ?
Essentially, would you not approach a non-muslim who you would like to share your faith with, initially with a greeting of peace. Does one have to outwardly look "respectable" ( in this case muslim) in order to get respect (or merely a greeting of peace)?
Peace begins from within...........
b
But??
I ask?
Does God designate that you say "Peace be with you", upon ones clothing and dress*?
God would condemn one (unfashionable*) for wishing Peace upon their homes?
If one was praying for your family? and wasn't dressed right?
You think?
Our God would close his eyes to any love or blessing towards your family?
Think that God would reject Shalom? Peace??? because of dress?