Dear Readers,
Assalam mun alei kum,
Is saying salawat on Mohammed(pbuh) and aale Mohammed (swa) compulssory in Namaz. I have heard that without Douroude Ibrahemi Namaz is not accepted. Your comments please, are most respectfully needed. Thanks
Sokoon
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yes it is....
source?
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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Dear Readers,
Assalam mun alei kum,
Is saying salawat on Mohammed(pbuh) and aale Mohammed (swa) compulssory in Namaz. I have heard that without Douroude Ibrahemi Namaz is not accepted. Your comments please, are most respectfully needed. Thanks
Sokoon
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Assalamo alaikum
From my reading of the hanafi fiqh, it is stated that the at-taahiyaat is compulsory and the darood is not. So if someone did not read the darood and did salaam, then his/her prayer would still be valid although they would have lost out on thawaab (reward).
Allahu Alam
wassalaam
Ali
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*Originally posted by malikhan1983: *
Assalamo alaikum
From my reading of the hanafi fiqh, it is stated that the at-taahiyaat is compulsory and the darood is not. So if someone did not read the darood and did salaam, then his/her prayer would still be valid although they would have lost out on thawaab (reward).
Allahu Alam
wassalaam
Ali
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Where did you read that can you please give a reference here??????
Saqi
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Assalamo alaikum
The book that i read this from is called Behishti Zaiver (heavenly ournaments). It is available from most book shops.
A note to consider is that the hanafi school of thought does not have just one view on things. Rather Imam Abu Hanifa had his own opinions on salaah based on hadith whereas his students differed with him on certain issues. As an example Abu Hanifa (Raheemahullah) believed that the hands should be tied below the belly whereas some of his students believed that they should be bound on the chest. Both are valid opinions as they are based on the Islamic evidences (Quran and Sunnah).
Wassalaam
Ali
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*Originally posted by Saqi_the_angel: *
Where did you read that can you please give a reference here??????
Saqi
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*Originally posted by malikhan1983: *
Assalamo alaikum
From my reading of the hanafi fiqh, it is stated that the at-taahiyaat is compulsory and the darood is not. So if someone did not read the darood and did salaam, then his/her prayer would still be valid although they would have lost out on thawaab (reward).
Allahu Alam
wassalaam
Ali
A note to consider is that the hanafi school of thought does not have just one view on things. Rather Imam Abu Hanifa had his own opinions on salaah based on hadith whereas his students differed with him on certain issues. As an example Abu Hanifa (Raheemahullah) believed that the hands should be tied below the belly whereas some of his students believed that they should be bound on the chest. Both are valid opinions as they are based on the Islamic evidences (Quran and Sunnah)
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Fiqhi issues such as where the hands go, shoulder to shoulder, feet straight is all according to the suunah, so no matter what madhab (school of thought) you follow in salah there are going to be differences of opinion.
But to say that you don't recite Darood Shareif after your at-taahiyaat and tashshud (when you point to the ka'baa with your index finger) is basically denying the prophet's (saw) tareeqah in performance in salah.
Example, we follow the sunnah- or we would like to follow the sunnah of the holy prophet (saw), if he (saw) prayed without reciting Darood Shareif, which doesn't bear even thinking about may allah (swt) forgive me then why do so many muslims pray reciting Darood Shareif. The holy prophet (saw) taught us how to pray and in what order. The differences in opinion come in the physical performance of salah.
It's like saying well God is great isn't he and that's it, rationally it doesn't make sense if he (swt) created mankind and jinn to worship him alone, and the most gifted man ever to exist is sent to us as a plain warner and clear manifestation of providing Ilm then brother you're treading very dangerous ground and you need to get that book checked out.
As for the believer who has the problem in the first instance, don't just take my word for it, check it out for yourself. The holy prophet (saw) said in a sahih hadith that, and I am paraphrasing, go to china if you have to seek knowledge.
May Allah Forgive Us And Help Us Inshallah
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The holy prophet (saw) said in a sahih hadith that, and I am paraphrasing, go to china if you have to seek knowledge.
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Can you provide evidence for this hadith youve mentioned and prove that it is infact sahih.
If anything Ive heard this is not considered authentic.
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Can you provide evidence for this hadith youve mentioned and prove that it is infact sahih.
If anything Ive heard this is not considered authentic.
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Right there is difference of opinion on this, Ibn Abdul Bar a well known scholar from when Spain was past of the Islamic State said that it was sahih, but there is difference of opinion on this and I follow that opinion until I know better. As it is 0130 in London I cannot go to a book shop to increase my ilm to find out...at the moment :|
Authentic or not I will have to find out but Ibn Abdul Bar was a specialist in collecting and collating hadith.
^ Interesting
Anyway you may find these links helpful
The hadeeth, “Seek knowledge even if it be to China”
http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?part=7&category=6&id=21
And also:
Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China” is a false hadeeth link
can someone please provide evidence for placing hands on the navel as hanafis claim? i havent seen it and i place my hands on the chest, but i would like to follow both the sunnahs if the hands on the navel are indeed part of the sunnah defined by authentic hadiths.
To Tie the Hands Beneath the Navel:
Hazrat Ali (radhiallahu anhu) relates that the sunnah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) is to place one hand over the other below the navel. [Abu Daud, ch. on Wad’ul Yumna, Hadith 756]
The above-mentioned method of tying the hands is also related by Hazrat Anas (radhiallahu anhu).
http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/Prayer.htm
The link gives a “Detailed Account of Prayer (Hanafi Madhab)”
^^
See this appendix Tout savoir sur l'actualité du jour - qss.org
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Ok read these links on the Hanafis position.
Why do Hanafis place their hands down so low… below the navel???
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00002270.aspx
and also
What is the proof for the way Hanafi men place their hands under their navels in prayer?
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00001284.aspx
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--The report from 'Ali (ra) is weak as admitted.
--The report from Wa'il ibn Hujr (ra) has inconsistencies both in its transmission and recording, as also indicated in the above links.
--In the third report, Abu Mijlaz is a tab'i, a successor, so he never met the Prophet (saw) and his authority/source is not disclosed.
^ Fair enough but what about the mention from the first link that it was also the opinion of Imam Ahmad.
Anyway, Im sure youd agree these are just minor issues and dont really affect the acceptance of the prayer.
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Fair enough but what about the mention from the first link that it was also the opinion of Imam Ahmad.
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More than one opinion is related from Imam Ahmed so this is not conclusive at all. His own son, Abdullah, reports that his father would place his hands above the navel. In any case, we are not trying to establish what Imam Ahmed used to do, rather what the Prophet (saw) did. Anyone else can be mistaken. Also, you were giving the Hanafi position, so i'm not sure where Imam Ahmed comes into it?
Dear Gupguppy,
Assalam mun ale kum,
very easy way to find out where to put hands in Namaz.
Brother gupguppy not all sunnis tie hands.(all malkey's and some shaffey's and some humble'ys do not tie the hands at all))
Also shias do not tie the hands, so do as them. Open your hands, while praying
Shia have an explaination. They say if we consider four khalifatul Rashedine.
And if we consider 124,000 prophets, last being prophet mohammed (pbuh)
And last kalamey elahe is Quran
We muslims feel proud to declare that we all believe in prophet Mohammed as his massage is the most recent one, and so is islam the most recent religion among all religions of GOD.
And we muslims can prove that we are doing correct; as old AHKAMATS if were amended by GOD; our Rasoul (pbuh) were most upto date regarding every thing, we do not say our old Mossa, Essa etc were wrong but we follow the newest , last prophet as when any new call comes old are always not asked to follow
For example if I call you for a party at 3 and later I phone you and say please come at 7 , you would not follow my first time schedule, you would follow the latest that is you would come at seven. So old schedule cancels automatically when new schadule is provided.
Same way regarding khulafaei Rasheeda, old Ahkams of three previous ways stand cancelled automatically if the last one Ali did some changes. We must only follow Ali's way of not tieing the hands. This one can do if that one have eman that Ali was khalifa too, like first three.
Malikey's Fiqha sunnis obey Ali's, using the same criteria of principle as we muslims do for prophet Rasoul(pbuh) and as we use the principle for taking Quran as the most recent and new Elahi book, with what ever amendments GOD wanted to do in Quran.
ZARA EMAN DARI SAY MERI RA AEY PER SOUNCHEIN.
To undo my TAAVEAL do not waste time to do research, hunting ahadeez and many more things. I love all muslims, I listen to all, but I believe in that I would be alone hereafter my death to answer GOD for every bit, I think , I work for protection of my real soul of dine. And my life after death. Bye sokoon
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For example if I call you for a party at 3 and later I phone you and say please come at 7 , you would not follow my first time schedule, you would follow the latest that is you would come at seven. So old schedule cancels automatically when new schadule is provided.
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A bizarre example if i might say so.
If i invite you to my party at 3 and someone else phones you and says don't go until 7 whose word are you going to accept? Mine (it's my party remember), or someone else's?
Likewise, if the Prophet (saw) has taught us to do something one way, we do not leave his teaching and following someone else just because it is the "latest" way.
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Same way regarding khulafaei Rasheeda, old Ahkams of three previous ways stand cancelled automatically if the last one Ali did some changes. We must only follow Ali's way of not tieing the hands. This one can do if that one have eman that Ali was khalifa too, like first three.
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See my above reply. But since you are interested in what Ali (ra) did, the report about him placing his hands together above the navel is in the link i posted earlier.