Is RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam A Man like Us?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Is RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam A Man like Us?

@vroom

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala sent a kHAIRUL Bashar as A Prophet (and The Best of Creation)- yes, but not a ‘Bashar just like them’. It is an error to think that even
Now that you have admitted it was addressed to the disbelievers. It can be proven to continue applying the ‘like you’ or the gross exaggeration you are making ‘just like them’ is not applicable. It would not even be applicable if they were Believers either

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Borther Vroom** :salam2: – How can I admit something I never denied!

Did I ever that the Blessed Quran was not addressing the disbelievers? Please don’t try to incriminate me on what I never said.

Whatever the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon) says – Whether it is addressing the Disbelievers or the Believers – It is a fact – carries weight – and is part of Islam.

You cannot disregard any of the sayings of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon).

I had quoted a lot of relevant verses of the Blessed Quran and how conveniently you have ignored them!

Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner. [18:110]

Say: “I am but a man like you: It is revealed to me by Inspiration, that your Allah is one Allah: so stand true to Him, and ask for His Forgiveness.” And woe to those who join gods with Allah, - [41:6]

Whatever the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon) said, he meant it – the only distinction he made was that he was a Prophet of Allah Almighty and that he received Wahi from Him.

If there was any other difference between him and them; he would have said it there and then.

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon) never held anything back!

Here is what you are stating with the regards to the two Blessed Ayats

@vroom

Here is my interpretations of the two Ayats

Qul [say to the disbelievers, munafiqs] I am a Man of Flesh like you [a Creation, and can be seen, not a God, nor an Angel]. Has been revealed to me that your God is One God

Proclaim/Say to the Disbelievers! That I am Physically a human (Bashar, skin, visible) like you (like you in of what is apparent, like visible and have skin (not same Quality of skin mind you))

As you have said: The above is your personal interpretations - – full-stop

Please don’t push it as an Islamic belief. Please explain how you know that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon) was trying to imply what you have stated (I have highlighted the text). You are pushing your own slant on the Blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon) words – for this you must fear Allah Almighty!

Similarly you were pushing your personal belief without any references (your post 36)

@vroom

Well my personal belief is:

The Prophet’s Peace and Blessings be upon Him and His Family Nur is the Nur of Allah, with the understanding that it is Nur from Allah, A Pure Nur Created by Allah
It is unobtainable, to the same level, by anyone else as Master of The Messengers Peace and Blessings be upon Him and His Family
Allah Most Merciful guides by Light

As you said “Well my personal belief is:” It is your personal belief – full-stop

@vroom

What is applicable of the ‘like you’ is that the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam has skin, is visible and is creation.

So You mean to say that apart from skin the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon) was not human?!

@vroom

Whether you take from your misunderstanding of The Ayah the words ‘like them’ or ‘just like them’ both can be disproved with acceptance of 1 proof which proves to contrary. I will offer this:

*Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam is Best of Creation, not comparable to any other creation - A Physical evidence which carries the Stamp of Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaah

…and of course there is lots of other proofs for the Superiority of RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam over the disbelievers addressed in the verse including his physical superiority. This all amounts to the fact that you need to stop using the understanding you have from that verse and think again

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Bother vroom** I don’t try to understand the blessed ayahs by my personal whims but look for authentic textual evidences. So I have no misunderstanding about it – may be not to your liking.

I have already stated the Mankind is the best creation of Allah Almighty and the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon) is the BEST of the BEST of Mankind in all the spheres of attributes.

Of course he is the Prophet of Allah Almighty with all the attributes of Prophet Hood – and being the Chief of all the Prophets (peace be upon them all) and the Beloved of Allah Almighty – He is a most supreme from all Human beings. This never changed his humanity at all.

*Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. *Quran (Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 21)

• The verse demands that Muslims should take the Holy Prophet’s life as a model for themselves in every affair of life and should mould their character and personality according to it.

@vroom

There is no argument about human(Best of), eating food, walking in the markets
The disbelievers are deaf dumb and blind, they have belittled Prophets from the very first Prophet Salam Alaih
The very first mistake they make is to see Prophets as just Bashars. A theme you are repeating here
You can say that I am requesting more then a Bashar but the reply to that is that Allah Subhanhu wa Ta’ala always gave more, they just never saw it or recognized it.

Sorry I disagree with you – the reason the disbelievers rejected the Prophet (peace be upon them all) is that they were very proud and haughty and thought that they were superior than the Prophets (peace be upon them all). This superiority complex would not let them to submit to the Message of Allah Almighty.

Shaytaan the cursed had the same problem, superiority complex over Hz. Adam (as).

This has nothing to do with Humanness of the Prophets (peace be upon them all).

@vroom

I can see what you are getting at but its incorrect again.

This is not correct. Although A Khairul Bashar, Best of Creation Prophet was a Rehmat for Us, and could feel what we feel The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam was Better then Us and Did More then Us. He did more then we could do, Psyah has already given some examples of differences on this as well, one more here:

6814. Thabit related that Anas said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, fasted continuously* at the end of the month. Some people fasted continuously and the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, heard about that and said, “If the month had been lengthened for me, I would have fasted it continuously to the point that those who impose things excessively on themselves would leave their excessive imposition.** I am not like you**, My Lord feeds me and gives me drink.”

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…"The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade continuous fasting. They said, 'You fast continuously’He said,** ‘Which of you is like me?** When I sleep my Lord gives me food and drink.’ "…
Both from Bukhari

The above doesn’t disprove the Blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) humanity at all.

This shows that the Blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) was bestowed with the most excellent of Human qualities. His patience and endurance level were of highest level.

`Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) said: The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassallam) would stand (in prayer) so long that the skin of his feet would crack. I asked him, "Why do you do this while your past and future sins have been forgiven?‘’ He said, "Should I not be a grateful slave of Allah?‘’ [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
The hadith shows the devotion, gratitude and commitment of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to Allah Almighty.

Note that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) strongly discouraged people to follow him in acts of worship which only he could endure and for this Allah Almighty had strengthened him.

That’s why he said “Which of you is like me? When I sleep my Lord gives me food and drink”.

He lets them know that they are not at his level of endurance and that Allah Almighty nourishes him with food and drink. He did not explain how it was done so we leave there and do not speculate.

This in no way negates the humanity of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Just as much as Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) being alive in heaven does not negate his humanity.

@vroom

This is the same line of thinking as previous.

We are free of this but those who say The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam is just like us are not free from an attempt to lower the status (Astagfirullah) of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam

Its undeniable that Our Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam is Best of Creation Bashar, and a Light (Nur)
Even Uthman May Allah Be Pleased With Him is referred to as Dhul - Nurain. Keeper of the Two Lights.
I cant understanding the thinking behind denying the Nur of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam
Remember these two subjects are not one and the same

1. Impermissibility of referring to The Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon Him and His Family as just a Bashar
2. Prophet (Allah bless Him and Grant Him Peace) being Bashar and Nur (Best of Creation)

Status of the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is as Allah Almighty has stated.

You cannot push it any higher and no one can lower it.

Just because someone doesn’t see things your way gives you no right to claim that you honour him more.

Same can be said to you that you are lowering his status by attributing to him what he is not.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Allah created the angels from light. He created the jinn from a flame of fire, and He created Adam from what was described to you.”** [Sahîh Muslim (5314)]**

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is from the progeny of Hz. Adam (as).

Hz. Uthman bin Affan earned the title Dhul Nurayn (Possessor of the Two Lights) because he married two daughters (ra) of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) one after the other.

This in no way implies that the Blessed daughters (ra) of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) were made of (Nur) light. Here Nur stands for spiritual purity, after all they are member AhlulBayt (may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all).

@vroom

Its undeniable that Our Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam is Best of Creation Bashar, and a Light (Nur)

Here the word ‘Nur’ (Light) stands for Guide whose guidance will take mankind from Darkness (Jahiliyyah meaning - (ignorance and misguidance) to Islam - Enlightenment