repent what? change to what? to quran toting bombers? that statement is plain obnoxious.
No the Quran is a book that is read by may be a part of a billion people if that and followed by even fewer. It is by no measure of greater value than the whole universe. If there is a decent English translation, may be I'll pay 5 bucks for it. because it obviously has done you little good.
You're saying this because you haven't read it.....
You haven't proved anything from your Scriptures, all you're saying is I think God wants and I don't think God wants...
Do you even read your own Books or according to hinduism's rules you don't have to read the Scriptures.
I remember the thread about superbrain yoga posted in religion, when I asked for any ref from Vedas for yoga no one was able to provide the refs because it was taught to do by people for generations as part of praying.
Nothing to do with Vedas and other hindu scriptures.
I think most things including polytheism are man made rituals and in reality they are not part of Hinduism, and may be Hindu Scriptures are divine but people either curropted them or mistranslate them.
I shall ask you, how does worshipping some unknown, unseen, person who supposedly controls this Universe(LOL) other than who thinks it is deserves to burn forever.
I don't want a 'the koran says so" answer. Justify ur Koran and defend your prophet.
If you don't want an answer from the holy Qur'an(the Word of God) than I don't need to justify anything to you.
If you don't want an answer from the holy Qur'an(the Word of God) than I don't need to justify anything to you.
I wanted an answer from you alone- something you thought about on your own without consulting the Quran, for a change. Are you telling me you can't think about *anything *on ur own?
This is what religion (including Islam) is all about, isn't it(acc to u atleast?) Believe, just beleive me and don't question it. If you don't beleive, you will burn in hellfire. Does nyone need more evidence to prove that this is all make-believe?
You haven't proved anything from your Scriptures, all you're saying is I think God wants and I don't think God wants...
Do you even read your own Books or according to hinduism's rules you don't have to read the Scriptures.
[/quote]
according to commonsense one doesn't need to justify everything from a book deemed holy. they just need to listen to their conscience. I don't see anything criminal in worshipping idols, nor can any reasonable person do.
I wanted an answer from you alone- something you thought about on your own without consulting the Quran, for a change. Are you telling me you can't think about *anything *on ur own?
This is what religion (including Islam) is all about, isn't it(acc to u atleast?) Believe, just beleive me and don't question it. If you don't beleive, you will burn in hellfire. Does nyone need more evidence to prove that this is all make-believe?
As now u r targeting religion, as far as Quran is concerned, It has given the invitation of Thinking on the Nature, on Allah allmighty's himself and happening of the universe. So when it comes to thinking, Quran do promotes thinking.
Stircrasy's implying that hareem is following a narrow-minded version of Islam, which is clearly apparent.
according to commonsense one doesn't need to justify everything from a book deemed holy. they just need to listen to their conscience. I don't see anything criminal in worshipping idols, nor can any reasonable person do.
I think narrow-minded are those who follow any man made religion and without even questioning it.
Hinduism has Scriptures, right? Then why can't hindus prove their "belief system" from them?
I wanted an answer from you alone- something you thought about on your own without consulting the Quran, for a change. Are you telling me you can't think about *anything *on ur own?
This is what religion (including Islam) is all about, isn't it(acc to u atleast?) Believe, just beleive me and don't question it. If you don't beleive, you will burn in hellfire. Does nyone need more evidence to prove that this is all make-believe?
Islam gives anyone the full right to question, analyse and test its teachings.
As now u r targeting religion, as far as Quran is concerned, It has given the invitation of Thinking on the Nature, on Allah allmighty's himself and happening of the universe. So when it comes to thinking, Quran do promotes thinking.
Very well then. Let someone morally justify burning idolators in hellfire for ever without saying "the quran says so". I am targeting religion because this is the problem with every religion.
I think narrow-minded are those who follow any man made religion and without even questioning it.
Hinduism has Scriptures, right? Then why can't hindus prove their "belief system" from them?
You should ask that question to hindus. Anyway not all hindus swear by their holy book.
As for idol worship-(this is what i think is true)- it was not followed in the Vedic period. Idol worship, like vegetarianism, is an influence of Buddhism and Jainism. many hindus worship mahavira(sometimes also jesus) too.
Islam gives anyone the full right to question, analyse and test its teachings.
then why are muslims initiated into islam at such a young age? They can not leave islam when they grow up and want to leave islam, can they?
BTW, since u quote the Quran for anything, let me ask you for a verse in the quran which says anyone has full right to question, analyse and test its teaching.
The implication being that Muslims are narrow minded? And you have the gall to speak about being arrogant and ignorant?
I actily read this 'dialogue' between Hareem and Stir. Hareem is defining Islam as the antodote for burning hell. Stir basicallly latched on toi that as Hareem proving Islam to be narrow minded and violent.
I don't blame him
These twerps who assume the role of explaining Islam to others and start cursing non-muslims (in thos case idol worship) to burning hell, people will continue viewing Islam as a violent and primitive one.
Actions have consequences, and the actions are done by the people. Simply points out that those who do worship idols are bound to a certain destiny...why no complaints over gravity? Afterall, if you throw yourself off a cliff, it seems like you will invariably fall to a horrible death. Is God cruel for imposing gravity on us? Or do we simply call a spade a spade and suggest that the person who hurled himself off a cliff for the sake of...well, whatever reason, made a wrong choice...?
Gravity is a law that all mankind can agree upon. It is not based on faith, prejudice or judgment. No one is offended when they are presented with the laws of gravity. But the truth is no one knows enough about these religious matters with the same certainty that they can say someone else has made a wrong choice.
Everyone knows that fundamentalists of different faiths hold the dogmatic beliefs that non believers of other faiths will go to hell. But if you expect to hold an open dialogue and expect others to disucss freely and opently, it is ignorant and arrogant to tell them that. Period.
Hareem.....It appears that you were missing me like hell(which is evident by you mentioning me 500 times in your post) in the last three days....I am glad you were thinking abt me all that time when answering your post....I also feel fortunate, for being a reason to tame your thinking from drastically radical Islamist to more liberal views........After going thru the last few pages of the thread, It seems that not only few hindus but more of muslim guppies feel that you are arrogant radical lady preaching the wrong version of the religion.....BTW, some answers to your previous questions...I don't consider myself as a Hindu(which might make you think, you were barking at the wrong door, all this time) and I still don't find any problems with refereing any human as 'Mr." and I do believe that Prophets are Humans. Rest if you still want to go ahead insulting hindus...you are more than welcome, it does not make any difference to me or any ideal Hindu, the guppies will just paint a respective picture of you in their minds and attach it to your name...that's it.
Aqal-less......final conclusion....I guess it upto you if rasam-e-hina is halal or not.....I feel a majority of the guppies have no problems with it except for one or two maulanis(party poopers) who try to prove anything in this world as unislamic (even the use of smileys are interpreted as haraam).....there is a reason we all have brains so why not make use of it.
This is a question asked by those who have not read the Qur’an … Anyway to summarise:
In Surah 10 verse 31 - 39
Say: “Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? and who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?” They will soon say, “(Allah)”. Say, “will ye not then show piety (to Him)?”
Such is Allah, your real Cherisher and Sustainer: apart from truth, what (remains) but error? How then are ye turned away?
Thus is the word of thy Lord proved true against those who rebel: Verily they will not believe.
Say: “Of your ‘partners’, can any originate creation and repeat it?” Say: “It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?”
Say: “Of your ‘partners’ is there any that can give any guidance towards truth?” Say: “It is Allah Who gives guidance towards truth, is then He Who gives guidance to truth more worthy to be followed, or he who finds not guidance (himself) unless he is guided? what then is the matter with you? How judge ye?”
**36. But most of them follow nothing but fancy: truly fancy can be of no avail against truth. Verily Allah is well aware of all that they do. **
This Qur’an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
Or do they say, “He forged it”? say: “Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!”
Nay, they charge with falsehood that whose knowledge they cannot compass, even before the elucidation thereof hath reached them: thus did those before them make charges of falsehood: but see what was the end of those who did wrong!
The above summarises the idea of fanciful thoughts are not superior to factual truths
It also challenges for tests and claims to be from Allah (SWT), expecting anyone to take up that challenge.
Approximately 750 verses, or nearly one-eighth of the Qur’an, exhort the readers to study nature, history, the Qur’an itself, and humanity at large. The text employs a range of expressions in its appeal to those who listen (yasma’un), those who think (yatafakkarun), those who reflect (yatadabbarun), those who observe (yanzurun), those who exercise their intellect (ya’qilun), those who take heed and remember (yatadhakkarun), those who ask questions (yas’alun), those who develop an insight (yatafaqqahun), and those who know (ya’lamun). (5) These and their derivatives (mostly occurring in the active verbal form) consist essentially of open invocations and encouragement to thinking that is not limited by a methodology or framework. Afala yatadabbarun al-Qur’an (do they not do tadabbur in the Qur’An) (6) ? Tadabbur means concentrated and goal-oriented thinking provoked by the challenge to find something new or to solve a difficult problem. Qur’anic references to thinking and the exercise of intellect occur in conjunction with basically five major themes: belief in the Oneness and munificence of God (tawhid); reflection on the Qur’an; man and the universe; historical precedent; and thinking itself.
This is a Book full of Blessings that we have revealed unto you so people ponder upon its verses and men of intellect may reflect. (Quran 38:29)
Verily, We have made this (Quran) easy, in your tongue, in order that they may give heed. (Quran 44:58)
Surely the worst of animals in Allah’s sight are the deaf, the dumb who do not use their brains. (Quran 8:22)
At the very beginning of the Qur’an after the opening chapter it states:
Alif-Laam-Meem. This is the Book in which there is no doubt a guidance for those who are God-Conscious. Surah 2 Verse 1-2.
There is a claim in this very first verse … that it has no doubt in it. Really? Muslims are not expected to just accept it, we should see why. Within this verse it also tells us how we can see it for it’s doubtless nature. We need to read it with a mindset of love, fear and consciousness for God … Then we will be guided by it i.e. see the truth in it.
^ look, she said something dumb and got rammed enough for it. Just let it go! Why do you taunt her?
Hopefully we can have a civil discussion rather thank her selling burning hell franchises and you trying to convert her to bhuddhist or hindu or whatever viewpoint
^ look, she said something dumb and got rammed enough for it. Just let it go! Why do you taunt her?
Hopefully we can have a civil discussion rather thank her selling burning hell franchises and you trying to convert her to bhuddhist or hindu or whatever viewpoint
I already let her go with her dumbness three days ago, but I guess she like me a lot and keeps refering me in almost all her posts for last three days with me not even being in the action(which I did on purpose)..........and why would I sell her the idea of hell, or converting her into another religion when I don't believe in hell or any other religion...it's not me who is dragging her in this thread, she is responsible for her own actions, and I don't want to be a party to it. BTW....I am all in for a civil discussion !