Hareem, you're not arrogant, just brought up with the wrong notions about role of religion, god etc which probably lead to such incapacities.
Instead of going back and forth about you, let us elevate the discussion a bit.
You ask why god wants somebody to worship idols and animals? I don't think God WANTS anybody to do anything of that nature. People do that based on their own upbringing, knowledge and outlook. Sanathana Dharma is about people and not all about gods. The religious aspects of Sanathana Dharma are about people finding themselves - which obviously will be different for each person. That is one of the reasons why even after 600 years of mogul rule which actively tried to convert Hindus and 300 years of European rule, Sanathana Dharma has survived, flourished and now once again enabling billions plus to once again take their place of prominence.
Now, I mentioned the mogul rule - even before that, with the invasion of the rogues such as gazni and gori mohameds, you may have read that one of their primary actions upon conquest was to break temples up. The reason they did that is because of the same notion that prophet Mohamed spoke against idolators - which is that they could not get their minds to think beyond the idols. They thought that they will destroy the religion by destroying the idols! How wrong have they been proved, now even you know.
Why would the Mohameds who accomplished such great acts of valor get this simple fact so wrong, you may ask. Surely they were not stupid?
Ofcourse they were not stupid. What they could not in their minds get past was that Sanathana Dharma is different from everyother religion they knew of. All other religions starts with the God or Gods as the centre and make everything else subservient. Sanathana Dharma being about people, that too the individual at the centre with no concept of subservience, was something that they could not fathom.
In fact, most of Hinduism occurs inside the brain. That is why we tell, not only you but also everyone who called themselves human capable discriminatory faculty, to seek rather than just read
Hareem, you're not arrogant, just brought up with the wrong notions about role of religion, god etc which probably lead to such incapacities.
Instead of going back and forth about you, let us elevate the discussion a bit.
You ask why god wants somebody to worship idols and animals? I don't think God WANTS anybody to do anything of that nature. People do that based on their own upbringing, knowledge and outlook. Sanathana Dharma is about people and not all about gods. The religious aspects of Sanathana Dharma are about people finding themselves - which obviously will be different for each person. That is one of the reasons why even after 600 years of mogul rule which actively tried to convert Hindus and 300 years of European rule, Sanathana Dharma has survived, flourished and now once again enabling billions plus to once again take their place of prominence.
Yeah thanks for the answer....
I was expecting some references about idolatory and stuff though.....anyway, so hindism is about just following or worshipping what you feel like to follow or worship.
Okay I got it, then there should be no problem to any hindu with muslims following their Prophet.
For a sec think I didn't say anything about burning in hell.....now please answer my questions.
For a sec think how condescending, insulting and self righteous it is to tell people their beliefs will result in them burning in hell. Then think how ridiculous it is to expect people to want to discuss their beliefs with you. Any fundamentalist of a religion can be so insufferable to say other beliefs will land you in hellfire. Most, when speaking intelligently and respectfully, refrain from pulling it out during interfaith discussions.
As for not posting here unless there answer other posters' demands, I think the better sugestion is for the narrow minded people who can't be tolerant of other beliefs not post in the religion forum. There can be a separate Fundamentalist Forum where once can post intolerance all day long without being bothered with these hell-bound idol worshippers.
For a sec think how condescending, insulting and self righteous it is to tell people their beliefs will result in them burning in hell. Then think how ridiculous it is to expect people to want to discuss their beliefs with you.
No, they were still trying to discuss and justify idolatory but without any reference given from their Scriptures. The discussion rather went boring and off topic so I let it go.
Any fundamentalist of a religion can be so insufferable to say other beliefs will land you in hellfire. Most, when speaking intelligently and respectfully, refrain from pulling it out during interfaith discussions.
I'm not making it personal....this is what it says in Books and I'm not here to shy away from these facts in an interfaith discussion, I'm not sending anyone to hell. The warning is coming from the Book. There's still a chance to repent and change before its too late.
The idolators of Makkah were offended by the ayahs of Qur'an but this is the Word of God and it takes much greater value than the whole universe.
As for not posting here unless there answer other posters' demands, I think the better sugestion is for the narrow minded people who can't be tolerant of other beliefs not post in the religion forum.
Yes people like RV who say "by following the Prophet you're making your life hell" blah blah blah
There can be a separate Fundamentalist Forum where once can post intolerance all day long without being bothered with these hell-bound idol worshippers.
Post this precious suggestion in the feedback forum.
You ask why god wants somebody to worship idols and animals? I don't think God WANTS anybody to do anything of that nature.
First of all you seem unsure about your statement. And secondly, how can you qualify your statement, does it say that God does not want anyone to worship Him?
People do that based on their own upbringing, knowledge and outlook.
No, if this statement was true we'd never have people becoming muslim, but as you see the majority of converts are to Islam and they do so not on their own desires rather they read the truth(Qur'an and Sunnah) and submit themselves to it.
The difference in a submitter and the one who "thinks" God wants or doesn't want is a big difference.
The day muslims start treating people of other religions with respect, will be the day that we really start being true muslims. It is UNCOUTH for anyone to insult anyone's beliefs and threaten them with hellfire. This is not the proper way to teach people about Islam.
First of all you seem unsure about your statement. And secondly, how can you qualify your statement, does it say that God does not want anyone to worship Him?
No, if this statement was true we'd never have people becoming muslim, but as you see the majority of converts are to Islam and they do so not on their own desires rather they read the truth(Qur'an and Sunnah) and submit themselves to it.
The difference in a submitter and the one who "thinks" God wants or doesn't want is a big difference.
hareem - as I mentioned earlier, if you try to interpret a thinker's religion such as Hinduism using the very narrow subservient and narrow minded islam you seem to be following, obviously you won't understand. What you are trying to do is to smell with your eyes and see with your nose. You have to open the correct sensors.
Millions of people become drug addicts too. Does that make it a good thing?
I'm not sending anyone to hell. The warning is coming from the Book. There's still a chance to repent and change before its too late.
The idolators of Makkah were offended by the ayahs of Qur'an but this is the Word of God and it takes much greater value than the whole universe..
repent what? change to what? to quran toting bombers? that statement is plain obnoxious.
No the Quran is a book that is read by may be a part of a billion people if that and followed by even fewer. It is by no measure of greater value than the whole universe. If there is a decent English translation, may be I'll pay 5 bucks for it. because it obviously has done you little good.
hareem - as I mentioned earlier, if you try to interpret a thinker's religion such as Hinduism using the very narrow subservient and narrow minded islam you seem to be following, obviously you won't understand. What you are trying to do is to smell with your eyes and see with your nose. You have to open the correct sensors.
The implication being that Muslims are narrow minded? And you have the gall to speak about being arrogant and ignorant?
Is God SOOO tyrannical and insecure that he would cast anyone who doesn't worship him into hellfire?
Actions have consequences, and the actions are done by the people. Simply points out that those who do worship idols are bound to a certain destiny...why no complaints over gravity? Afterall, if you throw yourself off a cliff, it seems like you will invariably fall to a horrible death. Is God cruel for imposing gravity on us? Or do we simply call a spade a spade and suggest that the person who hurled himself off a cliff for the sake of...well, whatever reason, made a wrong choice...?
The religious aspects of Sanathana Dharma are about people finding themselves - which obviously will be different for each person.
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That is one of the reasons why even after 600 years of mogul rule which actively tried to convert Hindus and 300 years of European rule, Sanathana Dharma has survived, flourished and now once again enabling billions plus to once again take their place of prominence.
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Oh please...the Moghuls were more interested in pacifying and placating the local Hindus than anything. Even the much maligned Arungzeb employed the most Hindus out of all Moghul rulers...
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Now, I mentioned the mogul rule - even before that, with the invasion of the rogues such as gazni and gori mohameds, you may have read that one of their primary actions upon conquest was to break temples up.
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No it wasn't. The primary action was to raid, and the fact is temples were loaded with wealth. And it shouldn't be forgotten that these Turks were not above hiring Hindu mercenaries to help out in the raids...let's not white wash history as it was a "them" vs "us" scenario...
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They thought that they will destroy the religion by destroying the idols! How wrong have they been proved, now even you know.
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Unh..no they didn't...they simply didn't have the man power to affect any kind of social change...and I don't think they were interested in that, they were more or less seeking a source of tribute.
Actions have consequences, and the actions are done by the people. Simply points out that those who do worship idols are bound to a certain destiny...why no complaints over gravity? Afterall, if you throw yourself off a cliff, it seems like you will invariably fall to a horrible death. Is God cruel for imposing gravity on us? Or do we simply call a spade a spade and suggest that the person who hurled himself off a cliff for the sake of...well, whatever reason, made a wrong choice...?
Gravity is a phenomenon. Are you telling me that God(Allah) is just a principle and not a person as the Quran says?
Allah doesn't say, "Sadly, if you worship idols, you will end up in hell." Quran clearly says that hell is a punishment.
The day muslims start treating people of other religions with respect, will be the day that we really start being true muslims.
First of all muslims need to treat each other with respect then they can start respecting others.
The other day you were using very rude words like buk buking in arguments with bro USResident.
Doosron ko naseehat...khud mian faseehat.
It is UNCOUTH for anyone to insult anyone's beliefs and threaten them with hellfire. This is not the proper way to teach people about Islam.
Are you assuming that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) didn't recite the ayahs about mushrikin being in hellfire forever in front of Arab pagan idolators?
First of all muslims need to treat each other with respect then they can start respecting others.
The other day you were using very rude words like buk buking in arguments with bro USResident.
Doosron ko naseehat...khud mian faseehat.
Are you assuming that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) didn't recite the ayahs about mushrikin being in hellfire forever in front of Arab pagan idolators?
Again,...
I shall ask you, how does worshipping some unknown, unseen, person who supposedly controls this Universe(LOL) other than who thinks it is deserves to burn forever.
I don't want a 'the koran says so" answer. Justify ur Koran and defend your prophet.
now you know why I said you’re narrow minded!