Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

@Rocking_vibes

There are many ppl in this thread who feel that they shd follow the Quran word to word to be a good muslim, some additionally want to follow the hadiths word to word, some believe they should imitate the prophets actions to be a good muslim.....some grow beard for the sake of religion and some don't, some wear fancy clothes and some wear hijab. I am sure you have good muslim friends who may or may not pray five times a day......So the point what I was trying to bring out is.........Can't there be a faintest possibility of Prohet's personal choice...Maybe he did not like henna personally so why should it be banned in Islam when it's not even mentioned in Quran. Correct me if I am wrong, again why imitate his actions and make new Islamic rules ? And again where am I disrespecting the prohet here when posting my views which are shared by many good muslims?

That's better. You could have written this before instead of being sarcastic and using words like " Mr Prophet ". Anyway, in answer to your questions, Prophet Muhammad(SAW) did like henna and recommended it for both men(on their head and beard) and women(on their hands) and also for the healing of wounds.
No one said that henna is banned in Islam, that is the proof that you haven't read the thread properly.

Imitating or following Prophet's actions does not comes under new rules of Islam but its part of Islam.

If you have some more questions, ask nicely, and I will try to answer them in a nice way, inshaAllah.

[hareem01]

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@JaanBaazz

I don't see this as an insult to the Prophet (SAW). Following the Prophet(SAW) is correct but "imitating" may or may not be correct. Afterall the Talibans claimed to do the same thing and all they did was to oppress women and kill fellow Muslims.

Some people think that their duty as a Muslim is "proved" by compelling their women look like walking tents or like that cab driver in Toronto who killed his daughter because she removed her hijaab.

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) never oppressed or killed women.

[Rocking_vibes]

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Are you serious...It appears that now you are trying really hard to find what part of my post was offending to you and made your hormones take control over you.....Now you are sayin that refering a human by Mr. sounds offending to you.....I don't know about what part of the world you live in maam, but the part of world I live in, refering someone by "Mr" is not disrespecting and is often taken as paying respect. If you consider yourself an Islamic scholar then you have great personal issues to deal with first before you go around spreading the word. Cool your jets and Peace out !

@hareem01

That's better. You could have written this before instead of being sarcastic and using words like " Mr Prophet ". Anyway, in answer to your questions, Prophet Muhammad(SAW) did like henna and recommended it for both men(on their head and beard) and women(on their hands) and also for the healing of wounds. No one said that henna is banned in Islam, that is the proof that you haven't read the thread properly.

Imitating or following Prophet's actions does not comes under new rules of Islam but its part of Islam.

If you have some more questions, ask nicely, and I will try to answer them in a nice way, inshaAllah.

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

Are you serious...It appears that now you are trying really hard to find what part of my post was offending to you and made your hormones take control over you.....Now you are sayin that refering a human by Mr. sounds offending to you.....I don't know about what part of the world you live in maam, but the part of world I live in, refering someone by "Mr" is not disrespecting and is often taken as paying respect. If you consider yourself an Islamic scholar then you have great personal issues to deal with first before you go around spreading the word. Cool your jets and Peace out !

I wouldn't say Mr Krishna or Mr. avatar as it might offend hindus because I know they never use Mr with Krishna or other avatars.
Also saying Prophet Muhammad or Prophet of Islam is enough, Mr Prophet sounds sarcastic as no muslim uses it.
And seriously no one in any religion uses Mr. with prophets or avatar's names, because it sounds like you're mocking someone's position.
Your post on whole was either piece of sarcasm or ignorance as no one said henna is haram in Islam. So it wasn't one part of your post, all of it was out of place.

[StirCrasy]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

@Submission_To_Peace

Well the mehndi and mayuun rasams are hindu rasams so they are definitely bida'h. Secondly, so much extra money is spent on pakistani weddings which is israaf and this is also haram.

Here is an answer by a girl who was previously hindu and reverted to IslamAs in hinduism the wife is considered like a housekeeper and the property of her husband, the mehndi put on her before the wedding means that she doesnt have to take up her duties as the new housekeeper for her husband, and the servant of his mother and father until the mehndi has worn off her hands and feet so its a respite for a new bride so she can be "available" to her husband soley, and not his parents and family at the start of the marriage, once the mehndi has worn off her skin then she has to resume the household duties.

The Indian culture was there BEFORE the advent of Islam. The Arabic culture was there BEFORE the advent of Islam.

The prophet kept many of the cultural stuff that was done in the pre-Islamic era that was not against the teachings of Islam. So anything that is from the Indian culture that was done before the advent of Islam and is not against Islam shouldn't be prohibited, unless it's obviously representing another religious rituals.

For eg.... If I want to have a wedding and I think that Christian "hosts" (that's how they're called right?) look cool and I want people to stand and eat that thing, then I'm OOBVIOUSLY imitating Christians and that shouldn't be allowed.

We can either reject our culture... or "Islamize" it!!!

I wish people would read the hadith of "whoever imitates non muslim people....", and how they applied it to derive rulings.

And Allah knows best!

I taught the hindu belief system according to the vaishnavas, i studied for more than seven years the vedas, including srimad bagavatam, the bahgavad gita, and the upanishads, and I also learn sandscrit, so i am not speaking without knowledge.

It is a fact that these wedding traditions adopted by many asian muslims, are purely hindu Religious ceremonies, they are not merely "culture" they are part of the religious ceremonies, as the hindus like to carry out and immitate what they call "the past-times" of their gods, krishna, radharahni, rama, sita, and so on. So these practices are purely immitating the Religious ceremonies of the hindus.

STP - this quote you have listed ...it is completely wrong and doesn't seem to be written by a Hindu or ex-Hindu at all. Either some muslim made this up to rationalize a practice in islam that he/she did not understand and felt guilty about or you made it up.

It is like if I write a story about an ex-muslim who converted from islam to Hinduism and start talking about muslim customs as those practiced by allah and prophet and quran as if they were mere fabrications of muslim hallucinations.

provide a reference / quote

[StirCrasy]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

@hareem01

I will be happy to make my short life hell by following Prophet Muhammad(SAW) rather than burning in hell forever in afterlife like idolators and animal worshippers.

really? with this kind of hatred and intolerance there is very little hope for people like you in this or in after life.

If your religion permits this kind of thought you should quit it

I came to this thread to learn something about Islam and what I am seeing doesn't look like peaceful at all. It is not only violent nuts like osma bin laden but also narrow minded twits who express such hatred about other religions that will kill their own religion

I wouldn't say Mr Krishna or Mr. avatar as it might offend hindus because I know they never use Mr with Krishna or other avatars.

if you do not want Hindus to feel offended, may be you should stop offending Hindus

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

really? with this kind of hatred and intolerance there is very little hope for people like you in this or in after life.

If your religion permits this kind of thought you should quit it

No thanks, I don't want to burn in hell forever by quiting my religion and becoming a worshipper of my own thoughts and desires.

I came to this thread to learn something about Islam and what I am seeing doesn't look like peaceful at all. It is not only violent nuts like osma bin laden but also narrow minded twits who express such hatred about other religions that will kill their own religion

if you do not want Hindus to feel offended, may be you should stop offending Hindus

I didn't say HINDUS will burn in hell forever, I don't think all hindus are idolators and animal worshipper.
Yeah but this is true and worshipping only one God is the message of Islam, Allah will not forgive mushrikin(polytheists) whether you think this is fair or not. I have no choice in this, you have no choice in this, by quiting we'll only make it more likely to be put in hell.

[StirCrasy]

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Don't disrespect any other religion, including those that worship idols, animals or whatever. Because such hatred and disrespect will only multiply the misery your own religion is in, precisely because of such idiocy.

Just think of it this way:

1) for every thought that you have about idolator or animal worshipper or type writer worshipper, you are condemning yourself to one more sentence of burning hell

2) for every time you think somebody else 'needs' your Allah's forgiveness you are only re-inforcing the ineffectiveness of your own god because obviously they are doing just fine without caring about Allah

You may be a slave of obsolete thought but don't make that assumption about me; My Sanathana Dharma encourages choice, provides me the tools and techniques that help human to live as human rather than a being a prisoner of hate and violence.

I am quite disappointed that if I were to form an opinion about and learn of islam based on your ideas here the conclusion has to be that it is a religion that lives in fear of openness, of freedom of mind and needs the violence in thought such as burning hell. For the sake of isalm I hope you are a bad sample

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

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Don't disrespect any other religion, including those that worship idols, animals or whatever. Because such hatred and disrespect will only multiply the misery your own religion is in, precisely because of such idiocy.

Just think of it this way:

1) for every thought that you have about idolator or animal worshipper or type writer worshipper, you are condemning yourself to one more sentence of burning hell

2) for every time you think somebody else 'needs' your Allah's forgiveness you are only re-inforcing the ineffectiveness of your own god because obviously they are doing just fine without caring about Allah

You may be a slave of obsolete thought but don't make that assumption about me; My Sanathana Dharma encourages choice, provides me the tools and techniques that help human to live as human rather than a being a prisoner of hate and violence.

I am quite disappointed that if I were to form an opinion about and learn of islam based on your ideas here the conclusion has to be that it is a religion that lives in fear of openness, of freedom of mind and needs the violence in thought such as burning hell. For the sake of isalm I hope you are a bad sample

I disagree because you are stoping me from speaking the truth. According to Qur'an the idolators will remain in hell forever.

PS: your hindu brother started the arguments by saying that muslims are making their life hell by following the Prophet, you haven't condemned him for saying that but you became so angry about what I wrote in his response(that is the truth and I have reference and proof for that from Qur'an).

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

And please let me know when did Hindus started believing in End of the world, Judgement Day, Hell and Paradise?

I think Hindus believe in reincarnation.....now if you tell me that I'm going to be a dog or devil or whatever in next life, I will not be offended(I'd probably laugh) because as a muslim I don't believe in reincarnation.

[StirCrasy]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

And please let me know when did Hindus started believing in End of the world, Judgement Day, Hell and Paradise?

if you have any interest go study what Hinduism says. I have no interest in educating the likes of narrow minded bigots such as you.

I think Hindus believe in reincarnation.....now if you tell me that I'm going to be a dog or devil or whatever in next life, I will not be offended(I'd probably laugh) because as a muslim I don't believe in reincarnation.

from the kind of attitude you are exhibiting about the greatest religions of the world, a dog or devil wil be an improvement.

I disagree because you are stoping me from speaking the truth. According to Qur'an the idolators will remain in hell forever.

If you say your religion is saying that anybody who doesn't follow your religion will burn in hell, then you just proved what you believe in is not a true religion at all. Good job.

[ummm]

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I didn't say HINDUS will burn in hell forever, I don't think all hindus are idolators and animal worshipper

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MOST Hindus worship idols!

[Pareezay]

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How about we all follow our OWN religions and beliefs and quit this rubbish talk. Slinging mud at each other isn't going to change anything for anyone. Best is to be a good person and be honest, kind and giving.. regardless of what religion you're following, period.

[janab-e-ali]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

@Submission_To_Peace

Well the mehndi and mayuun rasams are hindu rasams

No, it isn't...though this seems to be a popular misconception among the Deobandi/Salafi types.

The entire custom of using henna as a cosmetic originated in the Middle East...Muslim immigrants brought mehndi with them to India. The customs associated with Mehndi celebrations in Pakistan (and among North Indian Muslims) are almost identical to those followed in Turkey to this day.

[hanibal]

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[chanda_kh]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

"henna" is an arabic word....'mehndi' is hindi..
its been used for thousands of years by Arabs.....and Indians....its use has been recorded by many sources including ancient egyptian writings..

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

if you have any interest go study what Hinduism says. I have no interest in educating the likes of narrow minded bigots such as you.

I've asked you a question about your religion and you are not giving the answer and instead blaming me of being narro minded bigot, are you scared to talk about your religion?
If yes then I'll give the same advice that i gave to RV , you should refrain yourself from posting in religion forum, if no then I'd also like to know why do you guys worship idols, cows and all this stuff? Where exactly is the verse in your Scriptures that clearly says to worship idols etc and why does God want you to worship these things?
Please answer.

from the kind of attitude you are exhibiting about the greatest religions of the world, a dog or devil wil be an improvement.

I think being a dog is better than being an idolator and being roasted in hell forever.

If you say your religion is saying that anybody who doesn't follow your religion will burn in hell, then you just proved what you believe in is not a true religion at all. Good job.

My religion does talk about monotheist Jews, Christians and Sabiens being in Paradise.

[StirCrasy]

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I've asked you a question about your religion and you are not giving the answer and instead blaming me of being narro minded bigot, are you scared to talk about your religion? If yes then I'll give the same advice that i gave to RV , you should refrain yourself from posting in religion forum, if no then I'd also like to know why do you guys worship idols, cows and all this stuff? Where exactly is the verse in your Scriptures that clearly says to worship idols etc and why does God want you to worship these things? Please answer.

Glad you have started your quest to better yourself, but the effort to find is as important as what you find. So do your own basic research and then ask me if you need clarifications. Absent that, you seem to lack even basic facts.

I think being a dog is better than being an idolator and being roasted in hell forever.

In which case you are there already! congratulations!

My religion does talk about monotheist Jews, Christians and Sabiens being in Paradise.

It's a good beginning. Hope they think it through to the logical completion rather than stopping midway.

[Seminole]

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I've asked you a question about your religion and you are not giving the answer and instead blaming me of being narro minded bigot, are you scared to talk about your religion? If yes then I'll give the same advice that i gave to RV , you should refrain yourself from posting in religion forum, if no then I'd also like to know why do you guys worship idols, cows and all this stuff? Where exactly is the verse in your Scriptures that clearly says to worship idols etc and why does God want you to worship these things? Please answer.

How can you possibly be so arrogant to demand answers from someone when your "quest for knowledge" results in telling others they will burn in hell forever? You lose all rights to have an open and honest discussion when making such damning and narrow minded statements.

[hareem01]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

For a sec think I didn't say anything about burning in hell.....now please answer my questions.