Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

[fazeelat]

Re: Is "Rasam-e-Hina" allowed in Islam ?

is this not vulgarity when girls n boys both dance and with half sleeves dressed up girls with no dupattas. it all happens only on mehndi rasm.

about biddah where it is said to cross the limits of islam when rasm starts and first woman should b married. coz a widow or anyother women who dont have a child cannot starts the rasm.

the presence of Prophet (PBUH) i**n the wedding where girls **use to sing wedding songs and etc.those were lill kids not young girls. those songs were nasheeds not like todays romantic songs.

Dars-e Quran is Dars abt Quran..that what Quran actually says.. not reading like a Rattu Tota.

so u mean Rasm-e hina make sense on this occasion?
the intion is to get-to-gather of all relatives...so what s wrong if all ppl r here and they just spend their time with the Teachings of Quran in the shade of Angels and pray for best future of the bride or groom, instead of wasting their time by listening of music and watching almost nude girls while dancing.

Vulgarity doesn't need Music or bhangra or any of thing else, the intention of one should be enough to make this happen.

Islam provides the complete life style, meaning it ask for having fun ( ofcourse within the code of Islam) as it ask for Zikr and Azkaar. Again let me say that, *Biddah is something which is not included/added/practicsed in Islam by Prophet (PBUH). *

Islam have clearly told us what is haram and what is halal and how to maintian the balance by not being an extremist from either side.

** Dancing and singing on weddings and for fun ( again iam saying within the limits set by Islam) is not by any mean prohibited, as their are numerous ahadith proving the presence of Prophet (PBUH) in the wedding where girls **use to sing wedding songs and etc.

Rasm-e-Hina, is nothing more than a regional function of marriage, relatives get together and they enjoy the enviornment and enjoying the moments of happiness cannot be a sin, having dars-e-quran on this occation actually does not make sense on this occasion, Quran is not reavled for "Quran-Kha'wani" and/or "dars-e-Quran", it is their to practice with its true spirit.

[AllahkaBanda]

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Since u were arguing on this issue, i asked u to provide me Islamic Standing of ur arguments, which ofcourse you or any one else can not provide. so ur above answer says it all.

Thank you for ur time.

please prove me from my first post in this thread that i was arguing on risma-e-hina being haram/halal?

[hareem01]

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@fazeelat

is this not vulgarity when girls n boys both dance and with half sleeves dressed up girls with no dupattas. it all happens only on mehndi rasm.

about biddah where it is said to cross the limits of islam when rasm starts and first woman should b married. coz a widow or anyother women who dont have a child cannot starts the rasm.

the presence of Prophet (PBUH) i**n the wedding where girls **use to sing wedding songs and etc.those were lill kids not young girls. those songs were nasheeds not like todays romantic songs.

Dars-e Quran is Dars abt Quran..that what Quran actually says.. not reading like a Rattu Tota.

so u mean Rasm-e hina make sense on this occasion? the intion is to get-to-gather of all relatives...so what s wrong if all ppl r here and they just spend their time with the Teachings of Quran in the shade of Angels and pray for best future of the bride or groom, instead of wasting their time by listening of music and watching almost nude girls while dancing.

Hanibal is okay with singing and dancing but he has problem with darse Qur'an, mashaAllah.

[JaanBaazz]

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:( :(

And we used to winder why Muslims have not made any serious contribution to science, arts or any other form of human advancement for the last few centuries.

We are spending time fighting each other on whether having fun in a happy occasion such as weddings is okay when other parts of the world are thinking about math, science and computers.

No wonder we are so backward. If not for Arab oil, we'd be worse than poor Africans.

[PyariCgudia]

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^ yep.

[Submission_To_Peace]

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Very sad indeed. Some people would never blame practicing of immoral acts like drinking, not praying, less sincerity with ones duties and profession, watching immoral stuff, and other disobedience to Allah (swt) as a cause of down fall of muslims, but only find discussing and sincerely learning any issue in the light of hadiths as a cause of muslims downfall in maths and science.

The Question is: Few centuries back when muslims were good in maths and science, did they not discuss such minor matters in the light of sunnah hadith and the Quran. Some peoples words make me feel that if the Prophet (saw) came to them in "present age" they would listen less to his orders about minor details of daily life matters and listen more to Newton and Einstien, because their purpose of life gives more importance to science and technology than to moral values. How sad!

Did you know that the prophet (saw) used to mention and address every minor issue of life and how it should be done. Didn't he mention minor details of how should one have fun, what should be the LIMITS ?!?!

It is so sad that when we fail to prosper in any field we easily blame it on religious matters which might be totally irrelevent.

The importance of anything is not decided by you and me, but by the amount of times anything is given importance in the Quran and Hadith. For example, the Quran mentions more than 700 times about namaz and a lot of times it emphasize on following the sunnah of the Prophet (saw) in "EVERYTHING" we do in life. It is even more sad news that some people try to define themselves the ways of "having fun" in life without looking at it from hadiths perspective as if they want to say," Let us put aside the hadiths and give our own fatwas regarding how should one have fun in life "

I am sure if these minor issues were not important in a muslim's life than the Quran would have not emphasized on following the sunnah of the Prophet (saw) and the Prophet (saw) would have preferred adressing mathematics and science instead of adressing those issues of daily life.

I am not saying maths and science are not important, but blaming less development in science and maths on religious issues is not sane. IF it were so than Turkey would have been the most developed nation in the world, because they never discuss such issues at all.

[Das_Reich]

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:( :(

And we used to winder why Muslims have not made any serious contribution to science, arts or any other form of human advancement for the last few centuries.

We are spending time fighting each other on whether having fun in a happy occasion such as weddings is okay when other parts of the world are thinking about math, science and computers.

No wonder we are so backward. If not for Arab oil, we'd be worse than poor Africans.

dont agree with this one bit, ...reasons for our decline are economic and political and not related to theological debates ....so dont try to belittle the importance of these things ....

[muslima21]

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:( :(

And we used to winder why Muslims have not made any serious contribution to science, arts or any other form of human advancement for the last few centuries.

We are spending time fighting each other on whether having fun in a happy occasion such as weddings is okay when other parts of the world are thinking about math, science and computers.

No wonder we are so backward. If not for Arab oil, we'd be worse than poor Africans.

Allah swt says in the Quran"Whoever desires the harvest of the world Hereafter, We grant increase in his harvest; and whoever desires the harvest of this world,We give him the fruit thereof but there is no portion for him in the Hereafter"(al-shoora 20)

[muslima21]

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@Submission_To_Peace

Very sad indeed. Some people would never blame practicing of immoral acts like drinking, not praying, less sincerity with ones duties and profession, watching immoral stuff, and other disobedience to Allah (swt) as a cause of down fall of muslims, but only find discussing and sincerely learning any issue in the light of hadiths as a cause of muslims downfall in maths and science.

The Question is: Few centuries back when muslims were good in maths and science, did they not discuss such minor matters in the light of sunnah hadith and the Quran. Some peoples words make me feel that if the Prophet (saw) came to them in “present age” they would listen less to his orders about minor details of daily life matters and listen more to Newton and Einstien, because their purpose of life gives more importance to science and technology than to moral values. How sad!

Did you know that the prophet (saw) used to mention and address every minor issue of life and how it should be done. Didn’t he mention minor details of how should one have fun, what should be the LIMITS ?!?!

It is so sad that when we fail to prosper in any field we easily blame it on religious matters which might be totally irrelevent.

The importance of anything is not decided by you and me, but by the amount of times anything is given importance in the Quran and Hadith. For example, the Quran mentions more than 700 times about namaz and a lot of times it emphasize on following the sunnah of the Prophet (saw) in “EVERYTHING” we do in life. It is even more sad news that some people try to define themselves the ways of “having fun” in life without looking at it from hadiths perspective as if they want to say," Let us put aside the hadiths and give our own fatwas regarding how should one have fun in life "

I am sure if these minor issues were not important in a muslim’s life than the Quran would have not emphasized on following the sunnah of the Prophet (saw) and the Prophet (saw) would have preferred adressing mathematics and science instead of adressing those issues of daily life.

I am not saying maths and science are not important, but blaming less development in science and maths on religious issues is not sane. IF it were so than Turkey would have been the most developed nation in the world, because they never discuss such issues at all.

Excellent…very well said:k:

[Robert]

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what evidence do you have that He would not have allowed it? Just like gudi, you are mixing up the surfing of internet with acts of worship? When did surfing internet become acts of worship? Robert, you only look good when you argue the existence of God or similar matters. Please, do not try to act like a scholar in the religious matters when you lack basic knowledge.

I asked you a simple yes/no question. someone lacks common sense.

[hanibal]

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Hanibal is okay with singing and dancing but he has problem with darse Qur'an, mashaAllah.

I have problem with that, coz for me every thing have timing and mind set. There were numerous weddings in life time of Prophet (PBUH) can u give me a single example where Prophet(PBUH) or any other representative of Prophet delivered sermon (other than Khutba-e-Nikah) and said people to read quran.

U people have made a joke of the book and its teaching. One example is, giving dars-e-quran on Weddings...

[hareem01]

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@hanibal

I have problem with that, coz for me every thing have timing and mind set. There were numerous weddings in life time of Prophet (PBUH) can u give me a single example where Prophet(PBUH) or any other representative of Prophet delivered sermon (other than Khutba-e-Nikah) and said people to read quran.

U people have made a joke of the book and its teaching. One example is, giving dars-e-quran on Weddings...

Yes only if you can give me an example where Prophet(SAW) or a sahabi(ra) sang or danced on a wedding.

[hanibal]

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@fazeelat

is this not vulgarity when girls n boys both dance and with half sleeves dressed up girls with no dupattas. it all happens only on mehndi rasm.

about biddah where it is said to cross the limits of islam when rasm starts and first woman should b married. coz a widow or anyother women who dont have a child cannot starts the rasm.

the presence of Prophet (PBUH) i**n the wedding where girls **use to sing wedding songs and etc.those were lill kids not young girls. those songs were nasheeds not like todays romantic songs.

Dars-e Quran is Dars abt Quran..that what Quran actually says.. not reading like a Rattu Tota.

so u mean Rasm-e hina make sense on this occasion? the intion is to get-to-gather of all relatives...so what s wrong if all ppl r here and they just spend their time with the Teachings of Quran in the shade of Angels and pray for best future of the bride or groom, instead of wasting their time by listening of music and watching almost nude girls while dancing.

In those days, and even 50 / 60 years ago, the marriage age for boys was 16-18 and for girls it was 12-14.
Now a days things are different, there are lots of "reforms" which have alter the marriage age. coming back to ur statement, In todays marriage, have u seen Married women, dancing ( yes some of them sing) its only the unmarried who take part in these activities, again i also consider Joint session as a bad thing and never advocted one. but in a scenario where girls are together and they are singing and dancing does not make it vulguar by any logic.

If read by comments which u have quoted, i have used a term called, within the limits of Islam, dancing with nude girls ( bachelor party stuff) is not adviseable nor considered moral. Now nude dancing and drinking are all time haram things, they will remain haram in every situation. One should condemn these acts and not the whole concept.

Tommorrow ( i think) is Eid-e-Milad-un-nabi ( a biddat, as it is considered as part of Islam) in Pakistan, there will be celebrations, some will dance on songs and others will steel the electricity, block the roads and have Mehfil-e-naat. are these acts advisable under Islam, These acts have blessings of all molanas and act-less muslims, may i know y?

Islam is all about Balancing things, Islam have prohibted from extremism in any kind, but the muslims in general and Pakistanis in Particular are exterimist by nature and education. this thread is an example.

[hanibal]

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@hareem01

Yes only if you can give me an example where Prophet(SAW) or a sahabi(ra) sang or danced on a wedding.

there are lots of examples and ahadees, i cannot recall the exact ref. and wording but one incident was reported that, The Prophet (PBUH) was laying down in the house of Ayesha (RZA) and Hazrat Abu Bakr (RZA) was with him, the girls was singing some wedding songs and Abu Bakr (RZA) stopping them... while the Prophet (PBUH) interfered by saying, People of Madina are use to this customs, let them do it. I will look for the ref. and edit this post with right words.

There is a famous hadith, which all the scholars are agreed upon, it is First Hadees of Sahi Bukhari, it says, (translation) deeds are seen in light of intentions.

One can go for prayer and can pray all night and intentions can be to just be called a pious guy or just to show a particular group or person that he is praying. Scholars agrees that, with this intention, praying is considered Shirk. which is one of the greatest sin ever. and in todays world there are many people who just pray/give alms/ lend help for this reason only

these people are strongly condemned in Quran (sura-e-ma'oon)

Now according to ur logic, above acts should be considered haram as they are condemned in Quran and Prophet (PBUH) has shown his anger on this kind of people.

So dear Sister, if one is enjoying (singing, dancing) in a marriage ( again i would say with in the limits of Islam) then there is no harm in it. nor Islam will call it Haram.

[JaanBaazz]

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If there is a Muslim born with the genius of Einstein, he would never get to do anything. Before he goes to college, some maulana would come and condemn his beard length and his attire. Another would complain about his not brushing teeth according to hadiths and another would condemn his use of pens. Yet another would condemn the dancing at his sister's wedding. By the time he is done making himself truly "Islamic" the poor guy would have forgotten his brilliant ideas and the only job left for him is to become another maulana. This may be a tad exaggerated but this is the fate of our qaum.

[Submission_To_Peace]

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The fate of our qaum is not related to few molvis but to the passion of the "majority" of our youth, if they sincerely try to learn Quran and Hadith. Sincere searcher of truth would inshaAllah one day find a sincere teacher, by the grace and mercy of Allah (swt). Unfortunately the majority of our youth remembers more Bollywood and Hollywood famous heros dialogues than quranic verses or hadith. They follow the fashion of award winner actors than the ways of the Prophet (saw).

The self proclaimed molvis would have no guts to announce themselves molvis if the majority of qaum demand good quality and take interest in religious teachings, the government create competition by having an organised system of entry tests and good jobs and facilities for a religious scholar.

p.s. Let us leave molvis and maulanas for a moment (As if the molvi criticizers regularly offer tahajjud prayers along with naffil fasts) and think how much we ourselves are sincere to learn Quran and Hadith. How many times we seriously and sincerely opened Quran or a book of Hadith to learn it and practically implement it in our lives.

[JaanBaazz]

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All Muslims follow the Quran. Otherwise we wouldn't be Muslims. The question is whether you behave like you were in 7th Century Arabian desert or do you carry on with your life without worrying about every step being seen as "truly" Islamic. If it is the latter, then our ummah will have no doctors, scienitists, artists, musicians etc and we will all be clones of each other staying stagnant while the rest of the world marches on.

The main reason for Islam's success as a religion was its simplicity. It is ironic that today all sorts of things are called biddah or haraam.

[Submission_To_Peace]

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@JaanBaazz

The main reason for Islam's success as a religion was its simplicity.

Exactly! Each and every step taken by the prophet (saw) or a word spoken by him indicated beauty and simplicity. It is the influence of todays media culture that has made it complicated, whether it is dressing or celebration of any occasion.

May Allah (swt) bless us with wisdom and understanding in following the moral values and lifestyle which the prophet (saw) taught us, which would remain evergreen (insha'Allah) till Qayamah, by the grace and mercy of Allah (swt)

[Pareezay]

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Applying mehndi is the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH). I have read on various websites about how Huzoor PBUH used to apply it on his pinky finger. I don't understand how that makes it 'UNLAWFUL'.

I have confirmed it from few scholars. Kindly share if you have any authentic source to share.

Following is what I have found.

Q: What Islam says about rasam-e-hina or mehandi and meau? Can these ceremonies be celebrated without songs and dancing? Is mehndi is sunnat? Can women wear yellow dress and can paste "ubtan"?

1) It is unlawful for a man to use henna on his hands because it is resemblance to women.

[tweety_pie]

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@shay9164

Applying mehndi is the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH). I have read on various websites about how Huzoor PBUH used to apply it on his pinky finger. I don't understand how that makes it 'UNLAWFUL'.

I agree, the prophet used to apply mehndi therefore it cannot be unlawful