I just don't see anything in Islam that says you can't gather with family and friends and celebrate someone's marriage. Hence, what someone wants to do with a mehndi ceremony is totally up to them. A person's intention will be judged at the end.
I don't see anyone making haraam or bida'ah 22,000 ruppee burqas that you can now find in Karachi boutiques. So why fuss if someone spends a lot on their marriage ceremony, if they can afford it and it doesn't put them in debt?
^ I agree partly , "religious class" have also made religion a means of showing off their wealth and piety .....that is disgraceful ...hoarding of wealth is forbidden no matter who does it ...thats what we know from Quran and authentic ahadith some as narrated by Abu Dharr [ra]
israaf is a big problem with these ceremonies ....so it is forbidden
AFAIK in female only gathering girls can do music and dance without spending a lot of money on it
question of bidah is wrong in this respect as long as its not been made a part of religion ...unless someones tries to justify israaf and singing as part of faith in which case he/she is totally misguided and a Bidaati]...
the question of customs being a relic of hindu past is a BIG one not to be dismissed lightly ...
I agree with you:k:.If these rasams would have been in Islam then why didn’t our Prophet SAW practiced such rasams in His wedding or in the weddings of His daughters.
The prophet didn't surf the internet, but well now, here you are.
Well..there was no computers or internet in His time but if Allah wanted HE might have given them in those times....But wedding use to take place in His times.
I thought bid’ah is when you make something that isnt a part of islam to be a part of Islam…
someone can do something and know fully well that its not in Islam, so how is that bidah? unless i have the wrong interpretation of it.
imo i’d rather worry about day-to-day stuff than something thats gonna happen maybe once in someones life..or worry about why i’m feeling jealous of other people…rather than hurs..
Weddings are a very cultural phenomenom, and as such, there are no strict perscriptions of exactly how you're to conduct the logistics of a wedding. There are broad guidelines and principles, like for heaven's sake, lets not waste a lot of money on weddings especially if its going to put you in debt because that's just irresponsible and you create a burden on society. Other than that, its really up to you. I've seen so many Pakistani weddings, and they were not obscene. You guys take it too far.
Furthermore, true, there were weddings in Arabia at that time, but find me some ayah that says we must do our weddings exactly as they were done at that time. There is no such ruling. Early muslims were much more flexible than your lot who love to impose restrictions on anything and everything, and because they were accomodating of cultures they took Islam to, Islam spread really fast.
yeh so? How is surfing Internet considered as ibadah (worship), if that is what you are trying to imply?
Just because something seems reasonable to you does not mean it is Islamically correct, unless you provide a proof. You looked at those weeding from your own perspective and i am sure everyone is aware of your views here. Thank you for bringing that up, the emphasized part which clearly contradicts if not all then most of things which are done in weedings. I do not want to name them since everyone is not one year old baby here. As far concerning early Muslims being flexible, yes they were moderate in Islamic teaching but they were not flexible in regard to adopting things which may lead to un-Islamic stuff, intentionally or unintentionally. So please do not try to mix things up.
yeh so? How is surfing Internet considered as ibadah (worship), if that is what you are trying to imply?
Just because something seems reasonable to you does not mean it is Islamically correct, unless you provide a proof. You looked at those weeding from your own perspective and i am sure everyone is aware of your views here. Thank you for bringing that up, the emphasized part which clearly contradicts if not all then most of things which are done in weedings. I do not want to name them since everyone is not one year old baby here. As far concerning early Muslims being flexible, yes they were moderate in Islamic teaching but they were not flexible in regard to adopting things which may lead to un-Islamic stuff, intentionally or unintentionally. So please do not try to mix things up.
Can you please provide some Quranic reference where Mehndi is considered haram and unislamic, if not, please do provide with some Ahadith (SAHI) and/or Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) where he have shown his anger on Mehndi and sutff like that.
Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] said, 'He who adds to the numbers of a nation (by imitating them or joining their celebrations) is counted as one of them.'
Mehndi (or Henna) is the application of henna (Hindustani: हेना- حنا- urdu) as a temporary form of skin decoration, in South Asia, the Middle East, North Africa and Somaliland as well as expatriate communities from these areas. It is typically employed for special occasions, particularly weddings. It is usually drawn on the hands and feet, where the color will be darkest because the skin contains higher levels of keratin, with which the colorant of henna, lawsone, enters a permanent bind.
Henna paste is usually applied to the skin using a plastic cone or a paint brush, but sometimes a small metal-tipped jacquard bottle used for silk painting (a jac bottle) is used. Henna can be bought at a store in a plastic or paper cones. The painted area is then wrapped with tissue, plastic, or medical tape to lock in body heat, creating a more intense color on the skin. The wrap is worn overnight and then removed. The final color is reddish brown and can last anywhere from two weeks to several months depending on the quality of the paste.
The patterns of mehndi are typically quite intricate and predominantly applied to brides before wedding ceremonies. However, traditions in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sudan sometimes expect bridegrooms to be painted as well. In Rajasthan (north-west India), where mehndi is a very ancient folkart, the grooms are given designs that are often as elaborate as those for brides. In Kerala (southern India), henna is known as mylanchi and is commonly used by the Mappila (Muslim) community during weddings and festivals.
In Arabic and Persian speaking countries, such as Morocco, it is done for any special occasion. It is done during the seventh month of pregnancy, after having the baby, weddings, engagements, family get-togethers, as well as many other reasons to simply celebrate an event.
Mehndi decorations became fashionable in the West in the late 1990s, where they are sometimes called “henna tattoos”. This term isn’t accurate, because tattoos are defined as permanent surgical insertion of pigmentsunderneath the skin, as opposed to pigments resting on the surface.
Applying Mehndi on different ocassion is part of other cultures as well like Sudan and Morrocco, if Mehndi or Rasme hina is done staying in the limits like no na mehram around, no bollywood or other indecent music, no Israaf etc then it should be okay to celebrate it.
Arab pagans used to apply the blood of an animal on an infant’s head after shaving, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) didn’t abolish this ritual completely but changed it with applying the saffron on the head instead of blood.
Can you please provide some Quranic reference where Mehndi is considered haram and unislamic, if not, please do provide with some Ahadith (SAHI) and/or Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) where he have shown his anger on Mehndi and sutff like that.
straw man argument so i do not need to answer it since i was never arguing this.
its not allowed in islam as my rasme hina was actually not printed on wedding invitations it was Dars- Quran. a female scholar was here to explain about Biddahs that are on wedding ceremonies in our culture. after that there was dinner for guests.....no music no bhangra no vulgarity. i personally welcomed our guests(i mean i didnt wear long ghoongat that usually girls do on mehndi. after that i just had a simple mehndi on hands bcoz mehndi lagana sunnat hy not fasion.....and the same function at my in-laws.
are you sure God would have allowed computers n internet, if it were there at that time?
what evidence do you have that He would not have allowed it? Just like gudi, you are mixing up the surfing of internet with acts of worship? When did surfing internet become acts of worship? Robert, you only look good when you argue the existence of God or similar matters. Please, do not try to act like a scholar in the religious matters when you lack basic knowledge.
straw man argument so i do not need to answer it since i was never arguing this.
Since u were arguing on this issue, i asked u to provide me Islamic Standing of ur arguments, which ofcourse you or any one else can not provide. so ur above answer says it all.
its not allowed in islam as my rasme hina was actually not printed on wedding invitations it was Dars- Quran. a female scholar was here to explain about Biddahs that are on wedding ceremonies in our culture. after that there was dinner for guests.....no music no bhangra no vulgarity. i personally welcomed our guests(i mean i didnt wear long ghoongat that usually girls do on mehndi. after that i just had a simple mehndi on hands bcoz mehndi lagana sunnat hy not fasion.....and the same function at my in-laws.
Vulgarity doesn't need Music or bhangra or any of thing else, the intention of one should be enough to make this happen.
Islam provides the complete life style, meaning it ask for having fun ( ofcourse within the code of Islam) as it ask for Zikr and Azkaar. Again let me say that, Biddah is something which is not included/added/practicsed in Islam by Prophet (PBUH).
Islam have clearly told us what is haram and what is halal and how to maintian the balance by not being an extremist from either side.
Dancing and singing on weddings and for fun ( again iam saying within the limits set by Islam) is not by any mean prohibited, as their are numerous ahadith proving the presence of Prophet (PBUH) in the wedding where girls use to sing wedding songs and etc.
Rasm-e-Hina, is nothing more than a regional function of marriage, relatives get together and they enjoy the enviornment and enjoying the moments of happiness cannot be a sin, having dars-e-quran on this occation actually does not make sense on this occasion, Quran is not reavled for "Quran-Kha'wani" and/or "dars-e-Quran", it is their to practice with its true spirit.
Dancing and singing on weddings and for fun ( again iam saying within the limits set by Islam) is not by any mean prohibited, as their are numerous ahadith proving the presence of Prophet (PBUH) in the wedding where girls use to sing wedding songs and etc.
Ok, I have also heard the hadiths in which the prophet (saw) didn't mind singing by little girls on weddings. But did that also include dancing ?
p.s. If dancing or singing were such good ways of having fun, I am sure "at least" one wife, daughter, or any relative of the prophet (saw) or the prophet (saw) himself would have done it "at least" once in their lives.
So, whatever is not practiced by the Prophet (saw) even though it was commonly practiced by people of that time, is certainly not something very good infront of Allah (s.w.t) and the Prophet (saw), isn't it ?
When we love someone, we want to practice only what they liked to do or encouraged to do by doing it themselves, not the things which they tried to avoid, even if we don't have a proof that they said anything against it ?!
p.s. Any member kindly don't give me example of aeroplane, mobile etc. because I am talking about things which were commonly practiced by people of that time.
May Allah (swt) forgive me if I had said anything wrong, Allah knows best!
