Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
That is Ms. Biryani. I hear the lady likes to be addressed thusly.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
Islam only has a little 'flavor' of arabian culture like I said above.
Otherwise, it has all the relaxations to accept other cultures, as long as the basics and essentials are satisfied.
How much flavour it has is not really important. The key issue is that certain traditions in Islam, which were influenced by Arab culture, conflict with our culture. ex: holding mehendis is apparently not big in Arab culture. Similarly, polygyny was not wide spread in the civilizations of ancient India. Many of us are quick to criticize mehendis for being un-Islamic, but will defend monogamy at the same time. That's hypocritical. Either embrace both your culture and your religion and accept that there are differences, or shed one or the other. Don't pick and choose and rationalize it behind the guise of piety.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
Stuff like joint family, mehndis etc have nothing to do with Islam is my understanding. Though don't think there is anything wrong them if anyone misinterprets.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
Because they couldn't possibly have fled for religious reasons right? Kingdoms and countries were defined by religions in those times. Going against Arab Paganism would have been an offense.
When I said it promotes Arab culture, I meant that many practices were influenced by the social norms of 6th century Semites, just like Judaism. We are not Semites. Our ancestors were not Semites. We had thousands of years of culture before Islam ever existed. Obviously, many of our traditions were incorporated into Hinduism, just like many Arab practices were incorporated into Islam.
Best post that differentiates between culture and religion.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
How much flavour it has is not really important. The key issue is that certain traditions in Islam, which were influenced by Arab culture, conflict with our culture. ex: holding mehendis is apparently not big in Arab culture. Similarly, polygyny was not wide spread in the civilizations of ancient India. Many of us are quick to criticize mehendis for being un-Islamic, but will defend monogamy at the same time. That's hypocritical. Either embrace both your culture and your religion and accept that there are differences, or shed one or the other. Don't pick and choose and rationalize it behind the guise of piety.
You seem to be confused I think. And telling me something which I did not even touch here.
All I said that Islam has all the potential to embrace ANY culture as long as essentials are met.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
You seem to be confused I think. And telling me something which I did not even touch here.
All I said that Islam has all the potential to embrace ANY culture as long as essentials are met.
If you read the title of the thread, the premise is that Pakistani Islam is being dominated by Hinduism. My post was stating that those traditions which are being attributed to Hinduism likely existed outside of religion, and thus, Pakistan is not being influenced by Hinduism but by the culture that existed there already.
Your contention that Islam can accommodate any culture is actually arguing against the premise of the thread, i.e. you disagree with the OP.
I quoted your post to point out that how much Arab culture is in Islam doesn't matter, the little that exists sometimes conflicts with Desi culture. The thread is about how these little conflicts are being "won" by what are apparently Hindu traditions.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
If you read the title of the thread, the premise is that Pakistani Islam is being dominated by Hinduism. My post was stating that those traditions which are being attributed to Hinduism likely existed outside of religion, and thus, Pakistan is not being influenced by Hinduism but by the culture that existed there already.
*Your contention that Islam can accommodate any culture is actually arguing against the premise of the thread, i.e. you disagree with the OP. * I quoted your post to point out that how much Arab culture is in Islam doesn't matter, the little that exists sometimes conflicts with Desi culture. The thread is about how these little conflicts are being "won" by what are apparently Hindu traditions.
I did not really negate or approve the title. Did not talk about Hinduism dominance on Pakistani culture.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
If you read the title of the thread, the premise is that Pakistani Islam is being dominated by Hinduism. *My post was stating that those traditions which are being attributed to Hinduism likely existed outside of religion, and thus, Pakistan is not being influenced by Hinduism but by the culture that existed there already. * Your contention that Islam can accommodate any culture is actually arguing against the premise of the thread, i.e. you disagree with the OP.
I quoted your post to point out that how much Arab culture is in Islam doesn't matter, the little that exists sometimes conflicts with Desi culture. The thread is about how these little conflicts are being "won" by what are apparently Hindu traditions.
Sometimes you make a whole lot of sense!
Hinduism doesn't suggest any of the duties/roles and responsibilities. It is more of the local culture. In fact within India itself, there's a huge difference in the cultural practices between the states. Real India is not as thrilling as we see in Bollywood where for some reason most families are shown to be so predictable in their traditions. Festivals are celebrated differently and have different levels of importance/significance. How women are treated is again different in different areas. But it is definitely not "religious influence."
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
no she is not at all but sometimes she is treated that way…sometimes she is disrespected …
if you continue to read my sentence in the same sentence I say ppl these days are more appreciative and encouraging to their wives and bahus when they look after their home as opposed to treating her badly despite her being sincere to her home…and i say that ppl these days are more aware it isnt her duty…
the purpose of my post wasnt that she shouldnt look after the house or that she is naukrani if she does… the purpose instead was that if she does she should be appreciated and encouraged (and is generally in todays world) as opposed to hearing things that downplay what she does (when things she does are downplayed then she is effectively a naukrani…when she is appreciated she is not)…
please dont jump down my throat without reading my whole post …thank you…chill karo 
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[mod] Let's get back to the topic at hand please...discuss the impact of indian culture or hindu religion on that of pakistani culture... open another thread for any off-topic ideas thanks [/mod]
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
Well said, Bharateeya Nari! As you very well know kanal la kachina pappadam after an evening river swim is Southern culture.
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Implicit in your use of naukrani is desi culture does not treat them well. Is that Hindu influence or is that culture native. To both Indo Pak
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
i did imply that desi culture, (and im more specifically pointing at muslim culture) did not treat bahus and wives with appreciation, kindness, and encouragement in pichli sadi but now they are moving away from it and it isnt as much the case anymore people today are increasingly appreciative of their wives and bahus for keeping home
i never mentioned hindu culture i just said that “unappreciative-ness” (which is not even a word lol) shouldnt be a part of muslim culture by the same token it shouldnt be part of any culture at all be it hindu, sikh, christian or muslim
everyone deserves to be appreciated and encouraged…
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
I think you misunderstand. I have yet to sxx any post from you that is negative towards other faiths.
I was trying to understand your use of naukrani. There appeared to be an unsaid concession that desi culture does not treat naukranis well. Was curious to know if this was due to Hindu influence or if this is native to desi culture.
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
See not sxx
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
no it is not native to any culture it is native to human beings east or west people seem to treat each other badly without it affecting their conscience… may be im being cynical but i feel like we as human beings are absolutely horrid to other human beings…specially those we perceive to be somehow “lower” than us
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^ well said!
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
yes. things such as mehndi and the like are all hindu practices and customs. Its even more deep rooted than that. Just nuances of everyday life you can see the impact that hinduism has on pakistani life and society. And its diluted islam
Re: Is Pakistani culture dominated by Hindu religion?
Wearing saree is from Hinduism.
Showing navel has been considered good since it was considered source of life and creativity.
Many myths and misconceptions are originated from Hinduism.
For example:
Negative feelings about a woman who enjoys her life as a widow (not allowing her to wear colored clothes or good jewelry), and she should not think of another man to get married again.
Looking down upon women who have no children.
Having a male child being superior to having female child.
Making girls “sister” by giving them Rakhi,
Nose piercing,
Thinking that Brother of the wife (Devar) is no problem for Bhabi. ( May not be Hinduism strictly but still came from Indian culture)
etc.
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And off course Yoga, Peeri Mureedi or human worshiping is from Hinduism.