I hate to say it, but it appears to be the case. The Islamists are strong enough to wage a guerilla war for years, with enough support from elements of society to build there numbers and forces etc.
The govt must move to protect the people and the state’s integriy. The conflict between the 2 will be a civil war, which I fear will threaten Pakistan’s very existance. Ironic then that it may be (a warped understanding of) Islam that kills Pakistan, rather then sustains it.
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
If you want to stop the civil war, remove Musharraf.
Hes the cause behind it.
Its Musharraf vs The Rest.
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Actually it appears to be the majority of mods against a radical minority, who are sadly armed and violent. Evidenced by the tiny turnouts for pro Mullah rallies last week.
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
If you want to stop the civil war, remove Musharraf.
Hes the cause behind it.
Its Musharraf vs The Rest.
And put who in his place? Some slobbering dog who happens to have a beard?
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
I hate to say it, but it appears to be the case. The Islamists are strong enough to wage a guerilla war for years, with enough support from elements of society to build there numbers and forces etc.
The govt must move to protect the people and the state's integriy. The conflict between the 2 will be a civil war, which I fear will threaten Pakistan's very existance. Ironic then that it may be (a warped understanding of) Islam that kills Pakistan, rather then sustains it.
I do not think that there is any chance of civil war. Only trouble makers in Pakistan (rather Muslim world) are followers of a certain particular cult. I believe that President should close all Mosques and Madrassa belonging to this cult, declare them parasites, and start promoting main stream Islam officially, Islam that most Pakistanis follow, Islam that is traditional and true Islam.
I know that many in government (as well as media) are from this cult, but President should decide between future of Pakistan and followers of this cult in government. For that, if President have to deal with devils, that would be fine too.
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Anyone who is atleast not a sell out and puppet to the West. West ka kutta na ho.
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Interesting article.
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
The majority of well-to-do Pakistanis support Musharraf. That's a fact. Except for die hard supporters [read the respective feudal districts of BB/Nawaz Sharif] of the civilian leaders, no one really cares for the CJ. The poor may be attracted to radicalism. That needs to be checked. There's no civil war, we just need to mine our border with Anarchistan, kick all Afghans out and weed out all the jehadis one by one.
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Majority of the Pakistanis do not support Musharraf, except people who cant think with their own brain.
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
I hate to say it, but it appears to be the case. The Islamists are strong enough to wage a guerilla war for years, with enough support from elements of society to build there numbers and forces etc.
The govt must move to protect the people and the state's integriy. The conflict between the 2 will be a civil war, which I fear will threaten Pakistan's very existance. Ironic then that it may be (a warped understanding of) Islam that kills Pakistan, rather then sustains it.
There isn't enough support for anything violent anywhere in Pakistan other than Waziarastan, although there is sentiment against taking any strong actions against the 'Muslim brothers up North." This is perhaps the most tragic part of the situation, a population segment comprising a few hundreds of thousands (Wazirastan fanatics + FATA + NWFP fanatics) is holding a country of 160 million hostage to their violence. Otherwise, no matter how much people dislike Musharraf they dont have a taste for bombings. You dont see suicide bombers from Sheikhupurrah or Sakkhar.
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Sustained daily suicide attacks like these against the soldiers resulting in so many deaths in any other country in the world would have caused huge outrage in general public and media. However in Pakistan we are not seing such outrage and collective condemnation. Most mullahs are either openly supporting the militants or encouraging them. One segment of media is fanning the mullahs and militants with rumors and lies. Clearly these people have their priorities elsewhere other than Pakistan. Where is the outrage against murdering so many soldiers?
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Where is the outrage against murdering so many soldiers?
Where is the outrage against murdering 1000+ females and kids. Where is the outrage against bombing madrassas and Masjids in NWFP.
If their homes are being bombed there, you think they will stay quiet.
Jaisa karo gay, waisa bharo gay.
Before Musharraf came, everything was fine.
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^^ Pakistan has been historically a moderate country. The radicalisation was just started by Zia to drive the commies out when some Loony in Anarchistan on a charras driven high invited the commies over. We should be really, really mad at these asses called Afghanis. Had they behaved and not invited their Rusky comrades to Kabul, none of the mess we're seeing today would have been there.
You're such a ignorant ______ [fill that in yourself] really. Before Mushie, we were in the hand of corrupt INEPT rulers against which people like YOU were grumbling all the time along with the likes of the ever-complaining Pakistani media. Musharraf has brought in prosperity and if given a chance, can moderate and de-jehadize Pakistan.
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Where is the outrage against murdering 1000+ females and kids. Where is the outrage against bombing madrassas and Masjids in NWFP. If their homes are being bombed there, you think they will stay quiet. Jaisa karo gay, waisa bharo gay. Before Musharraf came, everything was fine.
Could you stop gloating. We know you are enjoying this killing of soldiers of Pakistan.
Mullahs like you are really good at spreading lies. When Masjids and Madarsas are used as terror training camps, weapon depot, bunkers and fortress the are not holy any more. The blame for deaths in Lal Masjid belong to Ghazi and his followers not with Pakistan army.
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yes they way things are we heading for civil war. we need a medium that can appease to both extremities of our society and provide a middle ground for majority to turn to. the current govt wont be able to pull this one. in fact the state pakistan is in now we need a miracle.
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
If you want to stop the civil war, remove Musharraf.
Hes the cause behind it.
Its Musharraf vs The Rest.
ya and then who will replace him...???
another MUSH with different name and face!!! whom do u have in the line. BB, TIND or Imran Khan... or Qazi i may say...
well none of them is differenct from MUSHY, as a matter of fact they are weak personalities only, been brought up by the Army regimes so that they don't have to face real opposition.
Imam Abu Hanifa (RA) once said, u cannot revolt unless and untill u are sure that u can implement Sharia.... and yet if u do u will only create unstability or fitna.o.fasad... this is what GHAZI have done and this is what these so called MUJAHIDEEN are doing...
as a matter of who is funding these mujahideen...???
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
Could you stop gloating. We know you are enjoying this killing of soldiers of Pakistan.
Mullahs like you are really good at spreading lies. When Masjids and Madarsas are used as terror training camps, weapon depot, bunkers and fortress the are not holy any more. The blame for deaths in Lal Masjid belong to Ghazi and his followers not with Pakistan army.
Actually the current chaos is becuase these Mullah (Brahman) feels that their Kingdom ( Madrasaas) can be taken away from them, so in order to protect it they are creating a civilwar kind of situation in Pakistan. hell with them..
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
Sustained daily suicide attacks like these against the soldiers resulting in so many deaths in any other country in the world would have caused huge outrage in general public and media. However in Pakistan we are not seing such outrage and collective condemnation. Most mullahs are either openly supporting the militants or encouraging them. One segment of media is fanning the mullahs and militants with rumors and lies. Clearly these people have their priorities elsewhere other than Pakistan. Where is the outrage against murdering so many soldiers?
problem with our society is that they are unable to see beyond their nose... Either worship a personality and make him look like a god or they hate and make him look like Iblees, and in due course any one who hates their hated one, becomes their friends...
Political parties should take a stand in todays situation and try to get Pakistan out of these chaos, otherwise there will be no country left where they can have a political movement or stand.
Re: Is Pakistan slipping into civil war?
I do not think that there is any chance of civil war. Only trouble makers in Pakistan (rather Muslim world) are followers of a certain particular cult. I believe that President should close all Mosques and Madrassa belonging to this cult, declare them parasites, and start promoting main stream Islam officially, Islam that most Pakistanis follow, Islam that is traditional and true Islam.
I know that many in government (as well as media) are from this cult, but President should decide between future of Pakistan and followers of this cult in government. For that, if President have to deal with devils, that would be fine too.
U r suggestion is good ! but can we do that now! cause doing it will turn the peacefull members of those cult against the state.. what is required is from Intelligence Agencies to dig into their holes and NAB the leaders of the trouble makers.
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problem with our society is that they are unable to see beyond their nose... Either worship a personality and make him look like a god or they hate and make him look like Iblees, and in due course any one who hates their hated one, becomes their friends...
Political parties should take a stand in todays situation and try to get Pakistan out of these chaos, otherwise there will be no country left where they can have a political movement or stand.
what political parties hanibal g. you mocked em all in your post. the change comes from with in the people. dictatorship will be the death of pakistan.