Is Pakistan merely a space?

Is Pakistan merely a space? It is politically weak, ethnically riven, and a master of plausible deniability – an art it has practiced towards India.


About Iran, Henry Kissinger once asked whether the Islamic Republic was a country or a cause. About Pakistan, the question is whether it’s a country or merely a space.

Mr. Kissinger’s point was that if Iran were a country like France or India, its bid to acquire nuclear weapons wouldn’t pose an apocalyptic threat: It would merely be seeking the bomb in pursuit of rational, and limited, national interests, like prestige and self-defense. But if Iran is a cause – the cause being world-wide radical Islamic revolution – then there’s no telling where its ambitions end.

The world has a tough time dealing with cause countries, no matter if the causes are bad (Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia), good (the U.S.), or somewhere in between (colonial Britain and France). Even more difficult is knowing what to do about countries that are really just spaces, wholly or partly ungoverned.
Today, Somalia is a space not even pretending to be a country. The result is destitution, piracy and a sanctuary for Islamic jihadists, but little by way of ideas for how to change things. Historically Afghanistan has always been a space, defined mostly by its power to repel: The Obama administration would be smart to take this into account by keeping its expectations for nation-building low. Whether post-invasion Iraq is a country or a space remains a question, though it seems to be leaning in the former direction.
As for Pakistan, we’re about to find out.

Global View: Pakistan’s Existential Challenge - WSJ.com

The world took note last month when a Taliban advance brought it to within 60 miles of Islamabad. But that offensive was less intrinsically distressing than the seeming nonchalance with which Pakistan’s rulers, current and former, surrendered sovereignty to Islamic extremists, first in the tribal hinterlands and then in the Swat Valley.

What kind of state simply accepts that its judicial and political writ doesn’t actually run to its internationally recognized boundaries? Three cases are typical.

What kind of state simply accepts that its judicial and political writ doesn’t actually run to its internationally recognized boundaries? Three cases are typical.

One is a weak state that lacks the capacity to enforce its law and ensure domestic tranquility – think of Congo. Another is an ethnic patchwork state that knows well enough not to bend restive or potentially restive minorities to its will – that would be present-day Lebanon. A third is a canny state that seeks to advance strategic aims by feigning powerlessness while deliberately ceding control to proxies – the Palestinian Authority under Yasser Arafat.
Pakistan’s odd distinction is that it fits all three descriptions at once. It is politically weak, ethnically riven, and a master of plausible deniability – an art it has practiced not only toward India, Afghanistan and the U.S. with its support for various “freedom fighting” groups but also, in the matter of the CIA drone attacks, toward its own people.

The roots of Pakistan’s problems go to its nature as a state. What is Pakistan? Even now, nearly 62 years after its founding, the best answer is “not India”: As with the Palestinians, Pakistani identity is defined negatively. What else is Pakistan? As with Iran, it is an Islamic Republic: Punjabis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Balochis, Sindhis and so on are only really knitted together in their state as Muslims.

No wonder the Pakistani army has been so reluctant to redeploy the bulk of its forces to the western front: To do so betrays Pakistan’s entire reason for being. Tellingly, the army only went on the offensive this month after the Taliban took aim at an army convoy. Odds are roughly even that another “truce” will be agreed by the government just as soon as the Taliban draws appropriate conclusions and reserves its violence for clean-shaven men, independent-minded females and other enemies of God.
Of course the “Islamic” state that Pakistani founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah foresaw wasn’t quite what the Taliban have in mind. “You will find,” he said in 1947, “that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because this is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”

That vision still appeals to a majority of Pakistanis, who have repeatedly defeated radical religious parties at the polls. But rejecting clerical politics is not quite the same thing as accepting secular ideals. It’s also hard to sustain republican hopes when the practical results – in the persons of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and current President Asif Ali Zardari – have been so consistently dismaying.

We live in an age dominated by immodest ideas of personal, national or ideological destiny, to which Pakistan has not been immune. It might consider more modest aims, like simple countryhood. And since the threat it now faces is existential, let’s put the point existentially: The alternative to that kind of being is nothingness.

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^^ never seen so many lies and denials in one post!!! ofcourse written by american posted by indian, what else one should accept!!!

agreed

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......The world has a tough time dealing with cause countries, no matter if the causes are bad (Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia), good (the U.S.), or somewhere in between (colonial Britain and France).......

Where does this classification come from? Another example of 'know-it-all' American attitude.

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:yawn:

:omg: Did you check a survey sometime ago which country was deemed dangerous to the world? The good cause country is a reason for how many wars lately, did you ever count? or you just being a troll had to paste an article only to run away later on?

:rotfl:
good and America, please :smack: gimme a break

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Same how i do agree with one or two lines from the article,.. Pakistan does have a identity crises. Our culture/language is mashup of other cultures (India,Iranian,Afghani,Turkey,Arabic), same goes for language.

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Diversity doesn't have to be a reason for division. Pakistan's diversity is precisely why the country has so much to offer. Its a tourist's dream, except that Pakistan fails to market its diversity and fails to provide a safe environment for people to rejoice and celebrate their diversity.

:p Can you point out the lies in Kissinger's comments for the benefit of us less-informed souls ?

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Pakistan's very existence was based on a safe area for muslims to live in South Asia.

However, that ended in 1971 when we lost East Pakisan.

Now, Pakistan's unity is centered on hating India.

No it’s unity is centered on beating india in cricket and hockey. Thats fun.

On a serious note, which country in this world has the highest number of insurgencies and freedom movements?

Well all the comments of these pseudo intellectuals (Henry Kissinger and co.) should be seen in a broader context. I would very highly recommend people to watch this amazing video. A lot of things will be clarified about the new found love affair between india and US.

Very well said!

The article is not by Kissinger, but by Bret Stephens who is quoting Kissinger about Iran. It might be a verbal remark by Kissinger. If it was in an article one would have to read the whole chapter, Kissinger takes dozens of pages to make a point. Im sure he was pointing towards trends of the current Islamic government and not denying the Persian nation that has a history of immense and profound intellectual thought.

Its a speculative article, and is a postulation based on opinion. The tone of stating opinions is declarative, which betrays a preconcieved stand and jounalistic or literary pubescence. The article fails to knit the initial Kissinger quote to his theory and reaches to draw incompatible parallels as ridiculous as with the Palestinian authority or Congo or Somalia.

While he ends with suggesting a modest scale back of national ideals, he counters that in his own article by saying "a majority of Pakistanis, who have repeatedly defeated radical religious parties at the polls". So how do we scale back from something the population never aims for in the first place? In the end the wind down of the article is a scale back of a radical threat to the world, and the conclusion is unsupported logically by the rest of the article.

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"No wonder the Pakistani army has been so reluctant to redeploy the bulk of its forces to the western front: To do so betrays Pakistan's entire reason for being."

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The reluctance has not been strategic! It may have been due to an unawareness of the magnitude of the problem and due to time needed to form and vet tactical options.

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"What kind of state simply accepts that its judicial and political writ doesn't actually run to its internationally recognized boundaries?"

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Its an archaic system inherited by Pakistan from the Colonial subcontinent and its high time to merge FATA into Pakistan proper.

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The world took note last month when a Taliban advance brought it to within 60 miles of Islamabad. But that offensive was less intrinsically distressing than the seeming nonchalance with which Pakistan's rulers, current and former, surrendered sovereignty to Islamic extremists, first in the tribal hinterlands and then in the Swat Valley.

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This part is painfully true, and only a sustained effort on the part of the establishment after the defeat of the Taliban rebellion can gloss over this failure to foresee the development of this problem.

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Pakistani founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah foresaw wasn't quite what the Taliban have in mind. "You will find," he said in 1947, "that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because this is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State."

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I have said this on this forum before, part of the tragedy facing Pakistan has its seeds in the Demise of Jinnah soon after partition. Nehru had the time to guide India through the changes in ideology required.

Thats partly true, and thats what Najam Sethi said in his speech in India that had the ISI mad at him. This is a sad unguided development not an intellectual direction chosen by the country.

I think nationalism is the answer, aided by neutral national symbols of pride.

yaar Punjabee jee, Kissinger didnt write that article, he is just quoted at the start.

But we make seekh kebab and Karahi Chicken better than any country in the world :snooty:

Just go to an average desi restaurant in UK, the way some of them fool locals by showing ‘different’ dishes

  • Balti Chicken
  • Karahi Chicken
  • Chicken handi

To me they all mean the same

WTH!!

I know I am saying the obvious but ethnicity and ethnic politics are one of the main reasons why our nation has not progressed as much as it should have. Then there are other factors like decades of misrule and economic mis-management by those in power, neglect of education etc. We have not really made great strides towards improving the literacy rate which is still pathetic.

And I agree that we should not be so India-centric

No need to beat up on WSG or the author of the quoted essay or the hapless Indian who posted this article.

The author of the essay is asking some very simple questions.
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Will Pakistan allow a group of criminals to take over large tracts of its land?

Will Pakistan be a fully controlled modern state, or it will become another Islamic Emirate like Afghanistan or Somalia.
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That's all.

We can pick apart this essay, or lash out loud on America, or Kissinger, but that's not the point. Not according to the core of the essay.

And I believe so far Pakistanis have answered these questions very well, not be some empty talk, but by their actions in the last few weeks.

We have deployed the full might of our state, opponents of criminal Talibs have gotten a bit of breathing room.

Heck even this forum has changed oh so slightly against the rabid Islamism.

But the full answer to the WSJ essay will take time, and perhaps Pakistan will show to WSJ and to the rest of the world that we are not cause or space. Instead we are a strong peace loving country that wants to be a lawful global citizen.

Yes, we're a strong lawful global citizen and "will act much like a good little boy on the block". And we will follow the "guidelines" and define ourselves according to the "global trend", whatever it maybe, whenever it maybe.

what a load of poop.

Pakistan doesn't need to define itself according to some "one" person sitting thousands of miles away dictating and nitpicking what the country should be like, and how best to run it. Pakistanis are capable of defining their own image, so long as they're given proper leaders (which is the downside and has been for some decades now). On the one hand America gives full support to dictators, and on the other hand it harps on democratic harmonica before the world. and then we have those who run around tripping over themselves trying to big up American image just about everywhere including discussion forums while fathoming venom against Islam every chance possible.

space and cause >>>look towards the west, both begin and end there.