Are events physical as well as social or predictable? Is everything that happens in this world pre-determined?
Did God, at the dawn of Creation, decide what was going to happen in the human social world? Has He a definitely irrevocable plan for each and every individual? Is our destiny pre decided? Can we change our destiny?
I am looking for answers to the above in the light of Quran so it would be great if you guys can provide references from the holy book along with your views :).
Thanks.
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OoO I want to know to. Some people say that Allah told us everything before hand whats going to happen in our lives and to us - and some say that we have the authority to change our destiny, we've been given the authority to chose etc...its all very confusing to be honest. Because if Allah already knew and did whatever he wanted us to do then why did he make people non-muslims and chalo he did but then doesn't that mean they're non muslims because of Allahs will then why will they be punished etc? If Allah has already decided what we're going to do and all in our lives then why do we go to heaven and hell since its all Allah's will for us to act a certain way isn't it? Not trying to trigger anything but i have been thinking about this a lot in the past but never asked anyone about this.
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Its a very basic question that intrigues all of us..
from what little knowledge i have.....some things are decided at the beginning like rizq,death etc...
for the rest of the things Allah has granted us free will......we can choose what we do.....the choice part is not predecided..........Only that Allah knows each and every possible action we will do and what will be its consquences.........but thats his knowledge/awareness and not his order...
More knowledgeable people will shed further light..
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Well from what little knowledge i have, i believe Allah has knowledge of all that is going to happen with us. However that doesnt mean he will dictate what path we choose, he may change it if what we are choosing to do is going to be harmful to others but at the end of the day for things like our behavior and beliefs we are given full authority. It's like we are on a path and there are 4 ways to go about it and every way wl lead into a diff result but we have the authority/ability to make our selection bt Allah is knowing of what the outcomes will be for every way and also he is knowing what we wl eventually end up selecting but his knowledge doesnt hamper our selection in any way.
It is quite confusing though at times to really get the grip of this. I believe your rizk, birth-death time and wealth are some of the things that are pre-destined but for the rest we are in power and hence wl be accountable for our actions.
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Only the journey is written not the destination :)
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Only the journey is written not the destination :)
Hmm. That sorta conflicts with what Quran says or atleast what i understood of it so far. Can you elaborate further?
p.s if u dnt mind me asking , what does hbk stands for in yr nick?
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Only the journey is written not the destination
actually i heard that its the other way round. Destination is written, but we have option to take any path and that makes us a righteous or a sinner (based on which path we take)
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Hmm. That sorta conflicts with what Quran says or atleast what i understood of it so far. Can you elaborate further?
p.s if u dnt mind me asking , what does hbk stands for in yr nick?
No i cant i just read it somewhere so i just thought of sharing sorry :)
it stands for Heart Break Kid
actually i heard that its the other way round. Destination is written, but we have option to take any path and that makes us a righteous or a sinner (based on which path we take)
Yeah ur absolutely right .....it depends on us whether we choose the right or the wrong path
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I believe destiny is pre-written like one of those adventure game books you read as a teenager... the paragraphs are numbered but you decide which paragraph to fall on as you make your way through the adventure....
It's all a bit like a fantasy chronicle in which you choose your own path but ultimately it was allready written down.
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are these personal theories, or is this what Islam says about fate vs. free will?
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are these personal theories, or is this what Islam says about fate vs. free will?
mine was based on my understanding of islamic logic...
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ok here are some verses from the holy Quran on this subject:
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2:286)
Allah burdens not any soul beyond its capacity. It shall have the (reward) it earns, and it shall get the (punishment) it incurs.
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2:134) Those are a people that have passed away; for them is what they earned, and for you shall be what you earn; and you shall not be questioned as to what they did.
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2:103) And if they had believed and acted righteously, better surely would have been the reward from Allah, had they but known!
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39:41)
Verily, We have revealed to thee the Book with truth for the good of mankind. So whoever follows guidance, follows it for the benefit of his own soul; and whoever goes astray, goes astray only to its detriment. And thou art not a guardian over them.
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42:30) And whatever misfortune befalls you, is due to what your own hands have wrought. And He forgives many of your sins
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45:15)
Whoso does right, does it for his own soul; and whoso does wrong, does so to its detriment. Then to your Lord will you all be brought back.
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Every creation in this universe is bounded. bounded by its capabilities, physical, mental etc. Only creation that has some freedom of action is human being. that is why judgment day is set for us. Although humans are limited in many ways yet they have some sphere of freedom of thought and action and they are only answerable for that sphere of their actions. This sphere of actions vary from person to person.
If everything has been pre-decided then what is the fun of Judgment day, paradise and hell.
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^ thanks alot for sharing this.
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once i wrote a blog on it .. .. let me share it ..
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^ Interesting. TFS.
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Every creation in this universe is bounded. bounded by its capabilities, physical, mental etc. Only creation that has some freedom of action is human being. that is why judgment day is set for us. Although humans are limited in many ways yet they have some sphere of freedom of thought and action and they are only answerable for that sphere of their actions. This sphere of actions vary from person to person. If everything has been pre-decided then what is the fun of Judgment day, paradise and hell.
does it mean that within a human's sphere of influence, God doesn't already know what man's actions will be? if He does, then it is pre-decided, isnt it? and if He doesn't, then God doesn't exactly know everything. both don't make sense with the usual notion of God's nature of being all-knowing.
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does it mean that within a human's sphere of influence, God doesn't already know what man's actions will be? if He does, then it is pre-decided, isnt it? and if He doesn't, then God doesn't exactly know everything. both don't make sense with the usual notion of God's nature of being all-knowing.
He does know but how does his knowing influences your decision to do whatever you want to do? You have to make your choices according to what you think/believe is right.
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Peace queer
That is not true. If it is possible for us to know something without influencing it then the same applies for God of course.
If a teacher knows his students well then when they take an exam his estimate of their score will be quite close to what they get. Now God being Perfect will Estimate with 100% precision so the effect is knowledge without interference.
Somethings are indeed recorded and no matter what we do all our paths i.e. the array of choices we make will all go through those points but the path we take to get there is ours to take.
Say that a man is destined to die at 5pm on Monday in a given month in a given year, he may die there by being murdered or by accident, suicide or by whatever means, the thing written is his death.
Otherwise:
Have you seen the TV show FastForward? It describes the idea of quantum mechanics allowing two or more locations (universes) for an object to be true at the same time. Read about Schrodinger's Cat. To us this is merely a paradox, but in reality and more appropriately to God this would be a way for us to understand the situation.
Part of the deeper works of Islamic theology unveil that for God past and future are immaterial and the same. Time is a binding for our temporal existence. Therefore you will not understand using your normal apparatus the harmony in the two conditions of freedom of choice and destiny.
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Say that a man is destined to die at 5pm on Monday in a given month in a given year, he may die there by being murdered or by accident, suicide or by whatever means, the thing written is his death.
lets start simple. are you saying God only decides the man's time of death, but the rest of it is all not the will of God?