I ate some seafood soup. Later found out it contained octopus.
Does anyone know if octopus meat is halal?
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Not sure... But generally speaking, I don't recall anything in seafood being harram. On land, we don't eat animals that eat other animals - Simply because the higher one goes up the food chain, the more chances of encountering parasite in that animal's meat.
In the ocean, there are hardly any such parasites. Which is why some say that even meat eating sea creatures are alright to eat (eating shark fin soup for example, which is available in Karachi). However as a general rule of thumb, simply don't eat any creature that eats other creatures. Therefore consume the meat of herbivores only. And birds that only eat seeds, and other green stuff. I am not sure about birds that eat insects, but here too - I think we are allowed to eat grasshoppers (locust) in Islam.
So when it comes to the ocean, I guess the same rules apply. If however you are worried that you may have unknowingly committed a sin - Then let me make it 100% clear to you that since you were totally unaware of it while you were eating, you are guilty of nothing.
Remember that if we are starving (as in facing certain death unless we eat), then in Islam we are allowed to eat almost anything that will give us nourishment (and so that act will not be counted as a sin).
.... found out it contained octopus. ..
Did you like it?
No worries. Octopus is okey dokey!
Just don't eat too much of the shell fish like crabs and lobsters as per Jewish traditions.
As the other bro said, there is no specific tradition in Islam that forbids a particular sea creature from getting consumed.
Since most of the early Islam evolved in the desert, it doesn't have clear wording about sea food.
So do what I do. eat it when you see it.
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There are differences of opinion.
Most Commonly agreed are
1- Fish with scales
2- Shrimps and prawns (some think they are not permitted some say they are makrooh and better not eat them)
Found dead before you get to them or see them: Not good to eat. (The scenario where you actually go to sea)
*There are two groups of people when it comes to religion in general.
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1- When in doubt, don't do it.
2- When in doubt, go ahead do it.
Found dead before you get to them or see them: Not good to eat.
Yes, I totally agree with that. We are not suppose to act like scavengers.
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all sea-food is halal.
all sea-food is halal.
Except for whatever they catch in the Bay of Bengal (as many dead human bodies from India end up over there, floating in the Ganges River)... So I doubt if any fish caught in that area will be safe to eat.
A true story, not made up or anything - Very very sad...
Depends which madhab u follow, us Hanafis are much stricter on this:
By Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Posted: 11 Safar 1424, 13 April 2003
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Q.)** I would like to ask whether oyster or oyster extract, shrimp, lobster, and shark are halal, haram, makrooh, or makrooh-e-tahrimi according to all four madhabs. Can you please specify the view of each of the four Imams regarding each of the sea foods.
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A.)** According to the Hanbaliy and Shafi’ee scholars, all living creatures that live in the sea are halal, whether they are in the form of a fish or not. (Fiqh alal Madhaahib al-Arbaa). Based on this, oyster, oyster extract, shrimp, lobster and shark are all halal and permissible.
According to the Maliki scholars, every living creature of the sea is halal except eel. (Ibid) Hence, oyster, oyster extract, shrimp, lobster and shark are halal and permissible.
According to the Hanafi scholars, the only living creatures of the sea that are permissible are those that are in the form of a fish with an exception of the hagfish and eel. (Ibid). (these 2 even though they are not in the form of a fish they will be permissible to consume).
Hence, according to the Hanafi scholars, it will not be permissible to eat oyster, oyster extract, shrimp and lobsters. It will be permissible to consume shark as it is in the form of a fish.
And Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
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....as far as I am aware, shark is not halal.... something to do with their gills (or something along those lines) .... can't remember details
....and yes, eel is not halal either...
all sea-food is halal.
No, all sea food is not halal!!!
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[Surah 5 Verse 96] Translation: Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food,- for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game;- as long as ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. And fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be gathered back. (Abdullah Yusuf Ali)
أُحِلَّ لَكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَحْرِ وَطَعَامُهُ مَتَاعًا لَّكُمْ وَلِلسَّيَّارَةِ وَحُرِّمَ عَلَيْكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَرِّ مَا دُمْتُمْ حُرُمًا وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ الَّذِيَ إِلَيْهِ تُحْشَرُونَ
[Surah 5 Verse 96] Translation: Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food,- for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game;- as long as ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. And fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be gathered back. (Abdullah Yusuf Ali)
أُحِلَّ لَكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَحْرِ وَطَعَامُهُ مَتَاعًا لَّكُمْ وَلِلسَّيَّارَةِ وَحُرِّمَ عَلَيْكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَرِّ مَا دُمْتُمْ حُرُمًا وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ الَّذِيَ إِلَيْهِ تُحْشَرُونَ
The qualifier there limits the applicability of this verse doesnt it?
Apologies for off-topic question but for sunnies, with reference to post# 8, what is the status of someone who eats something decreed haram by another imam? Do they understand God to take this into account when judging?
The qualifier there limits the applicability of this verse doesnt it?
Apologies for off-topic question but for sunnies, with reference to post# 8, what is the status of someone who eats something decreed haram by another imam? Do they understand God to take this into account when judging?
In sunni Islam, anyone who with pure intent follows a ruling given by a Muslim who is well-versed in shariah (ie a scholar, including the four imams who founded the four schools of sunni jurisprudence, and including Shia imams if you are a amongst the sunni majority who accept that Shias are Muslims), and where that scholar is believed to be ruling on the matter with pure intent.... does no wrong.
So Hanbalis don't believe that Hanafis are sinning by ruling crab/lobster are not halal, and Hanafis don't believe that Hanbalis are sinning when they eat it.
As long as the intent is pure and unbiased.... neither the scholar/imam or the follower are at any fault at all.
The qualifier there limits the applicability of this verse doesnt it?
Apologies for off-topic question but for sunnies, with reference to post# 8, what is the status of someone who eats something decreed haram by another imam? Do they understand God to take this into account when judging?
Agree with you there. I wanted to post it with clarification before but tried to keep my post to the point.
This part of Quran is taken out of context by some people. I do not have the source at the moment but it has to do with verses before this part also.
Something like when you are on your way to pilgrimage?
Someone can check it.
Bottom line: not everything from sea is halal as universal ruling.
Some hadiths have clarified this issue further.
Will someone eat jellyfish, eel or sea snakes etc? A different issue but karahiat is a valid issue.
Not sure... But generally speaking, I don't recall anything in seafood being harram. On land, we don't eat animals that eat other animals - Simply because the higher one goes up the food chain, the more chances of encountering parasite in that animal's meat.
In the ocean, there are hardly any such parasites. Which is why some say that even meat eating sea creatures are alright to eat (eating shark fin soup for example, which is available in Karachi). However as a general rule of thumb, simply don't eat any creature that eats other creatures. Therefore consume the meat of herbivores only. And birds that only eat seeds, and other green stuff. I am not sure about birds that eat insects, but here too - I think we are allowed to eat grasshoppers (locust) in Islam.
chicken eat worms and bugs and would eat even mice, frogs etc..
so by your logic chicken is not allowed?
chicken eat worms and bugs and would eat even mice, frogs etc.. so by your logic chicken is not allowed?
Wrong! I said that "I am not sure about birds that eat insects". Because we humans are allowed to eat locust. So I guess that too is OK.
Besides, I always disliked chicken, mutton, and lamb - I mostly eat bread and cheese with vegetables. And when it comes to meat, I only like fish or beef!
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To X2: Yes. This logic is flawed.
Wrong! I said that "I am not sure about birds that eat insects". Because we humans are allowed to eat locust. So I guess that too is OK.
Besides, I always disliked chicken, mutton, and lamb - I mostly eat bread and cheese with vegetables. And when it comes to meat, I only like fish or beef!
Liking/disliking and halal/non-halal are two different issues. Karahiat is something which is valid.
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Quit taking my post out of context. I was only stating that creatures that are higher on the food chain also carry a high risk of parasites. But as far as the ocean is concerned, things are different.
Liking/disliking and halal/non-halal are two different issues. Karahiat is something which is valid.
Yaar uski second part post was just his personal choice. ;)