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It's not a fault of MQM PPP PMLN or PTI it's the mind set of voters in Pakistan to vote on ilaqai bases. PPP sure won the seats in Punjab or others non sindh areas but the selected candidates are belongs to that area A punjabi A blochi A khan etc and same goes to other parties. Bet me give a seat to a Sindhi to compete in Balouchistan or A punjabi from pmln you might be surprised by the results.
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^ not on ilaqai basis but biradari system, but that is weakening in Urban areas. In Punjab PMLN's candidates would have won regarless of what ethnicity they'd belong to. I dont think you have been to Lahore in a long time, you can hardly differentiate between Urdu speaking people and Punjabis there.
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I need to check every candidate of each party to jump on this debate. Any example by your side?
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^ I'll have to check the candidates myself, on the flip I know many Urdu speakers of Lahore who voted for PMLN or PTI, although MQM also had a candidate there.
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These were the candidates of PMLN from Lahore, barring for a few who can be given out by their castes how do you determine who is a Punjabi or a Urdu speaking? I have worked in Lahore and I know thats its almost impossible now to distinguish between the two.
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If you say people vote on clan/baradari basis, I'll accept that and it is unfortunately true. Ethnicity is only invoked by few parties.
As far as Punjab is concerned, it returns PPP or PML(N) into power alternatively.** If all of candidates in my constituency are Punjabi, you cannot blame me for voting for a Punjabi.** Interior Sindh is similar. PPP has support from landlords and the powerful ones. If all candidates are Sindhi, you cannot really blame for those people to give votes to a Sindhi. Yes, PPP plays the sindhi card but it also has more than substantial support in Punjab and NWFP.
For PTI, Punjab was 3 way struggle, with PML(N) and PPP already strong. In KPK, it was two ways fight in most areas and ANP, well you know the story. PTI might not have won but it did secure votes from almost all constituents of our diverse nation. I am sure MQM would have been popular too had it gotten rid of the 'urdu speaking' shell. There is still a chance with rural people being more aware and seeking refuge from the landlord culture.
Musharraf would have been my hero if he accomplished even 3 things out of 6 that he promised when he took over. His actions proved opposite to all that he said at that time. I think he was sincere but his ego is ten times larger than his head and he did not have a clue what he was doing. He admitted that in his book (In the line of fire) too. Eventually, we are still paying the price of his adventures.
In one city or area, all candidates would most likely belong to any one ethnicity. That is obvious. But most of them winning will belong to some specific party. That is the issue.
In Punjab there are pockets of Punjabis and Seraikis who effect the outcome of elections. But in general Punjabis tend to vote for PMLN and Seraikis PPP. That explains PPP's performance in Punjab.
I did not say that PPP has no support except among Sindhis and Seraikis. But it does not enjoy popular vote in other areas as it does in Sindh and Seraiki belt.
About PTI and KPK, well, it is not just PTI and ANP there but also JI and JUI which are quite strong. JUI even formed the government in previous elections.
But in any case, why did PTI not perform well in Sindh and Balochistan but did well in KPK? The answer is simple. One just needs to see it honestly.
About Musharraf being your hero or not: we are not discussing you, so please keep your likes and dislikes to yourself. :)
Musharraf must have many weaknesses and he must have done wrong stuff in past. It is highly unlikely that someone takes actions and each of his action is approved by everyone. It just doesn't happen anywhere in the world. This is why it is easier to blame governments. There will always be some people being offended by something.
But if proven corrupt criminals like Nawaz and Benazir can come to power again and again then Musharraf should have been able to do the same. Especially when the country accomplished much more in his times than before and after him.
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Check the seats PPP won in Central Punjab in 2008 elections (especially in Faisalabad). If during the past 5 years they stopped the gas and electricity supplies to the city do you think they should have voted for them again? http://x.dawn.com/2013/04/25/mosaic-of-shifting-loyalties/
A lot of factors were involved in the previous elections, its very easy to pin it on ethnicity alone.
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....About Musharraf being your hero or not: we are not discussing you, so please keep your likes and dislikes to yourself......
I thought this is what discussion boards are for. Discussing personal opinions. Twisting facts is not my forte. Thank you.
The mere fact that Punjab, including Lahore and Pindi return candidates from different parties in different elections should be enough evidence that politics is beyond ethnic lines. It is not a praise for the political parties since the province is more or less ethnically cohesive and you cannot really have politics based on ethnic hatred like MQM. Who would you hate in Faisalabad, for example? Pathans? Baluchis? Sindis?
Troubling aspect is politics in Punjab that is sectarian based. Several of PML(N)'s candidates won based on hatred for people belonging to different sects. That is one of the reason why the government has not been able to move much on terrorism issue.
...But if proven corrupt criminals like Nawaz and Benazir can come to power again and again then Musharraf should have been able to do the same..
When you include Mush in the list of 'proven criminals', I rest my case. :D
When he took over, Mush was very popular. Had there been a massive ethnic flavor to politics, he would not have been. When I recounted why Mush is not popular anymore, you claim those to be my personal likes or dislikes. If hundreds of suspected militants were arrested and handed over to USA, it would have been much easier to arrest and try corrupt politicians for corruption as well. Instead, he gave us the gift of NRO. Thank you.
It is sad that you insist on it so much because MQM's message is strong and luring, only the overriding ethnic priorities keep it from gaining popularity.
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If that is a fact about poor performance, then how did PPP win in rural Sindh? It must be either rigging or the fact that people did vote on ETHNIC GROUNDs in the interior. PPP"s flood relief efforts were nothing to be desired after the 2010 floods. I mean there was not even a show of care for the flood victims while the President visited his ill-gotten french chateaus abroad.
As for Malala's attacker becoming President, this would assume that he believes in democracy and the pakistani constitution. We are talking Mullah Radio right, or is the person who shot her?
Read my post again. Answer is there.
Just bumping this thread up to remind people of my pashen goi. The way media is interviewing him, and the respect he is getting in those interviews, it’s almost like interviewers are khushamad karo him and putting his feet on their head. I watched mubashshir luqman and waseem badami and their sir sir sir was sounding so khushamedi… all the signs of those people knowing who is going to be the next potential head of the state.
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^^^ In 2013, Musharraf was stopped by (bias) court to campaign for his party and contest election properly, forcing APML to boycott election. Else election result would have had many APML successful candidates.
Anyhow, all depends on what would happen in future. If Musharraf gets clear sheet to get into politics with full force (and there are good chances for that), I feel it is quite possible that Musharraf's party would form next government.
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Just bumping this thread up to remind people of my pashen goi. The way media is interviewing him, and the respect he is getting in those interviews, it's almost like interviewers are khushamad karo him and putting his feet on their head. I watched mubashshir luqman and waseem badami and their sir sir sir was sounding so khushamedi... all the signs of those people knowing who is going to be the next potential head of the state.
Mubashar Luqman and Rana something giving him respect.......wooohoooo.......... Let me see him face Hamid Mir or someone who was against him................... getting interviewed by ex-cronies ain't an achievement......
Speaking of which....... Tahirul Qadri gets interviewed lot more.......and has a real grass root organization....... he managed to win a single only too...........
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Mubashar Luqman and Rana something giving him respect.......wooohoooo.......... Let me see him face Hamid Mir or someone who was against him................... getting interviewed by ex-cronies ain't an achievement......
Speaking of which....... Tahirul Qadri gets interviewed lot more.......and has a real grass root organization....... he managed to win a single only too...........
TAHIR UL PADRI became famous in the west for his ANTI-Jihad fatwas... the west LOVE such WESTERNIZED MULLAHS.. NATO SPONSORED MULLAH!
Mubashar Luqman and Rana something giving him respect…wooohoooo… Let me see him face Hamid Mir or someone who was against him… getting interviewed by ex-cronies ain’t an achievement…
Speaking of which… Tahirul Qadri gets interviewed lot more…and has a real grass root organization… he managed to win a single only too…
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Media respect, media popularity, and media khushaamad are three different things. Tahir got the second one, imran got the first and second, Musharraf seems to getting the second and third.
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The Musharraf topic is getting popular but not Musharraf himself.
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Even in media there are two sides with and against Musharraf. The recent interviews tried to bring out some facts which people didn't know and will help him to gain popularity once again. I think these interviews are an effort to wake up the people of Pakistan to support Musharraf otherwise Nawaz and Zardari will keep taking turns till they suck each and every penny from the people pockets, so it's now or never.
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TAHIR UL PADRI became famous in the west for his ANTI-Jihad fatwas... the west LOVE such WESTERNIZED MULLAHS.. NATO SPONSORED MULLAH!
So is Maulana diesel and all the Jamati bikaus who take money from US and than send their sons and daughters to America to study.
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^^^:k: Truth is always bitter.
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visual and auditory hallucinations... hmm... i think you should start Lithium or some other antipsychotic... well i think u can ask Mushy to lend some...** there are stories that he is taking "near-lethal" quantities of anti-pagalpan drugs to stay grounded.**. he can help with free refills for life.
These are stories which anybody can make so doesn't matter for Musharraf supporters what drugs he take, they just want him to see in power.
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So is Maulana diesel and all the Jamati bikaus who take money from US and than send their sons and daughters to America to study.
give me proof of your accusation