Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
reason for him not getting shot is army support.....they wouldn't want to set a example of a 'prosecutable' military man........that is all.
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
....that some people can't think beyond ethnic dimensions.
An ostrich's attitude.
It is a bitter truth. It is not true for 100% Pakistanis but for majority.
Pakistan parties are divided along ethnic lines.
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
Lotte collect karne mein keya dair lagti hai in Pakistani poltics! If it's speed of PTI collection there might be upset, Waite and let see
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
An ostrich's attitude. It is a bitter truth. It is not true for 100% Pakistanis but for majority. Pakistan parties are divided along ethnic lines.
Rather, some political parties like MQM and ANP use and abuse ethnic lines and propagate hatred for political gains.
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
Yes, even some posters here demonstrate it openly.
Where?
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
Rather, some political parties like MQM and ANP use and abuse ethnic lines and propagate hatred for political gains.
What are "some" other political parties besides these two? Care to mention them? :)
It is not the political parties but the majority of people of Pakistan who vote on ethnic basis. This is a fact which is obvious to everyone except to blind-folded people.
sigh. I don't like to argue when I see people pretending to be dumb.
If one leaves the ostrich attitude then we can probably think about the reason why Pakistanis vote this way. My opinion is that people don't vote on this basis due to animosity against others. Rather they do it due to ECONOMY or SCARCE RESOURCES. They think that they only way they can get bigger piece of pie is when they have their own kin in power.
People get into cocoons when they are fearful.
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
reason for him not getting shot is army support.....they wouldn't want to set a example of a 'prosecutable' military man........that is all.
That is true. Otherwise he would have been hanged by now. Most people just plain hate him to the core.
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What are "some" other political parties besides these two? Care to mention them? :)
Those parties are insignificant in the larger national political scene.
It is not the political parties but the majority of people of Pakistan who vote on ethnic basis. This is a fact which is obvious to everyone except to blind-folded people.
Can you demonstrate that? Except for people voting for MQM and ANP, which other parties get votes on ethnic basis? Mush would not have received the wide-spread support that he enjoyed when he took over if what you are claiming is true.
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
Those parties are insignificant in the larger national political scene.
Can you demonstrate that? Except for people voting for MQM and ANP, which other parties get votes on ethnic basis? Mush would not have received the wide-spread support that he enjoyed when he took over if what you are claiming is true.
Sure. PPP gets votes on ethnicity in Sindh all the time. You must be blinded if you don't know it. Similarly, PMLN gets votes on ethnicity as well.
Now it does not mean that Sindhis only vote for PPP in Sindh, or that Urdu speakers only vote for MQM, or that Punjabis only vote for PMLN, or that Pashtuns only vote for ANP. Because there are non Urdu speaking voters in MQM, there are many non Punjabi voters in PMLN, and there are many
non Sindhi voters of PPP in Sindh (like Faisal Raza Abidi).
But the **majority **of each of these people do vote for only certain parties.
This is why Musharraf will certainly get some votes from all across Pakistan, and from all ethnicity. But to expect that he can ever get popular votes in Pakistan is impossible. Same goes for all other parties.
BTW, why do you think PTI won popular votes in KPK instead of Punjab? :)
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Yar point is this that this guy has huge support system behind him. And the way our mashallah politicians are pissing the general public off, I have a feeling that Musharraf is going to become the candidate of choice through the process of elimination.
He will have to set many records straight before he can come closer to being a candidate of choice, the biggest one is drones, next is covert support to CIA, handing over 100s (if not thousands) to CIA, disappearances etc.
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Sure. PPP gets votes on ethnicity in Sindh all the time. You must be blinded if you don't know it. Similarly, PMLN gets votes on ethnicity as well.
You are wrong. PPP won 2008 elections and got seats from all over Pakistan. It lost 2013 elections because of its poor perfromance, hence PML(N) won the majority seats. The party you belong to is purely ethnic and limited to urban areas of Sindh particularly Karachi only. Get this fact down loaded to your hard drive. Rural Sindh gave votes to PPP because there was no other party which can compete in Sindh rural. Sindhis do not trust others who have no foundation in rural areas. You always forget that Sindhi nationalists gave votes to PML(N) and PML Pagara group or remain independents against PPP unlike MQM. Remove this viral infection in your hard drive that why majority of Muhajir give votes to mqm only. Don't compare apples with oranges.
Humara baas nahn chalta nahn tau hum qatlon(qadri in this case) ko vote dai daity...musharaf tau phir commando tha.
^ considering that our nation religiously believes in the philosophy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", we should vote for Malala's attacker to be our president
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
You are wrong. PPP won 2008 elections and got seats from all over Pakistan. It lost 2013 elections because of its poor perfromance, hence PML(N) won the majority seats. The party you belong to is purely ethnic and limited to urban areas of Sindh particularly Karachi only. Get this fact down loaded to your hard drive. Rural Sindh gave votes to PPP because there was no other party which can compete in Sindh rural. Sindhis do not trust others who have no foundation in rural areas. You always forget that Sindhi nationalists gave votes to PML(N) and PML Pagara group or remain independents against PPP unlike MQM. Remove this viral infection in your hard drive that why majority of Muhajir give votes to mqm only. Don't compare apples with oranges.
If that is a fact about poor performance, then how did PPP win in rural Sindh? It must be either rigging or the fact that people did vote on ETHNIC GROUNDs in the interior. PPP"s flood relief efforts were nothing to be desired after the 2010 floods. I mean there was not even a show of care for the flood victims while the President visited his ill-gotten french chateaus abroad.
As for Malala's attacker becoming President, this would assume that he believes in democracy and the pakistani constitution. We are talking Mullah Radio right, or is the person who shot her?
My comment was just a sarcasm on our nation's way of thinking. I despise everyone, every media prison, every politician, every critic, who is trying to cash on the bashing frenzy of that poor girl.
But that is different topic.
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Is she still poor ? 
Does that justify the bashing?
Re: Is Musharraf gaining popularity?
Sure. PPP gets votes on ethnicity in Sindh all the time. You must be blinded if you don't know it. Similarly, PMLN gets votes on ethnicity as well. Now it does not mean that Sindhis only vote for PPP in Sindh, or that Urdu speakers only vote for MQM, or that Punjabis only vote for PMLN, or that Pashtuns only vote for ANP. Because there are non Urdu speaking voters in MQM, there are many non Punjabi voters in PMLN, and there are many non Sindhi voters of PPP in Sindh (like Faisal Raza Abidi). But the **majority **of each of these people do vote for only certain parties.
This is why Musharraf will certainly get some votes from all across Pakistan, and from all ethnicity. But to expect that he can ever get popular votes in Pakistan is impossible. Same goes for all other parties.
BTW, why do you think PTI won popular votes in KPK instead of Punjab? :)
If you say people vote on clan/baradari basis, I'll accept that and it is unfortunately true. Ethnicity is only invoked by few parties.
As far as Punjab is concerned, it returns PPP or PML(N) into power alternatively. If all of candidates in my constituency are Punjabi, you cannot blame me for voting for a Punjabi. Interior Sindh is similar. PPP has support from landlords and the powerful ones. If all candidates are Sindhi, you cannot really blame for those people to give votes to a Sindhi. Yes, PPP plays the sindhi card but it also has more than substantial support in Punjab and NWFP.
For PTI, Punjab was 3 way struggle, with PML(N) and PPP already strong. In KPK, it was two ways fight in most areas and ANP, well you know the story. PTI might not have won but it did secure votes from almost all constituents of our diverse nation. I am sure MQM would have been popular too had it gotten rid of the 'urdu speaking' shell. There is still a chance with rural people being more aware and seeking refuge from the landlord culture.
Musharraf would have been my hero if he accomplished even 3 things out of 6 that he promised when he took over. His actions proved opposite to all that he said at that time. I think he was sincere but his ego is ten times larger than his head and he did not have a clue what he was doing. He admitted that in his book (In the line of fire) too. Eventually, we are still paying the price of his adventures.
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MQM did make offices and can gain in KP and southern punjab if it played its cards right by being honest in politics. I know politics is about playing games but you need to have principles.
I am also not under the illusion that MQM would rule Pakistan that way, but I believe being right is better than power itself. I don't believe Northern and central punjab would vote for a karachi based party. While the cricket rivalry between the cities of lahore and karachi might be hilarious, the politics is disgusting, I have seen punjabi racism (or heck count sindhi too) because perhaps muhajirs were better off even when there are poor classes of muhajir that ironically support MQM. Before this curse of the pakistani brand of islamofascism, ethnofascism was alive and well in ANP and actions that led to the emergence of bangladesh.
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If MQM does not get any votes out of Karachi, they are themselves to blame for it (partially). They have got an image of a party associated with violence (in the other three provinces) and they have never tried to shed it. As far as other parties are concerned, they get votes (regardless of the proportion) from all over Pakistan. People of Punjab voted for PPP in 2008, hence the party winning the elections. In 2013 they were voted out due to their performance, and PMLN got a chance as their performance was better as compared to the federal government (and they successfully convinced the people of the province that they have been targeted unfairly by the federation). If they don't perform their result would be similar to PPP in the next elections.
And as Kakaballi has mentioned it does not matter which party wins elections, like in my constituency regardless of party affiliations all candidates would still be Punjabis (same is the case with other provinces). There's much more awareness amongst the masses now, and most of them (in Urban areas) vote on the basis of performance. Rural dynamics are different though (Fuedals etal), if MQM can get hold of them they stand a chance there.