By Izzat I mean the attitude of men towards women in their household in the subcontinent. The attitude that in its extreme causes stuff like honour killings, but amongst more civilized people obligates men to have a protective attitude towards the women in their homes.
a) Is this in your view a good quality to have in our culture?
b) Is this a cultural attitude belonging to the pre-modern age that will be lost as we progress?
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if its that protective attitude which is suppressive, then it needed to be antiquated yesterday.
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i agree, but I wonder if we dont lose something good while discarding the bad.
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if you mean by honor killings and forced marriages etc. then yes it should've been long gone.
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well yea, nobodys gonna defend honour killings and forced marriages here. im interested in seeing if theres any positive aspects of this feature of our culture and whether we think its going to get discarded wholesale (and not just the honour killings..)
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hey man dont discard the good with the bad but do unbundle them and toss the bad
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It is a good thing. Humans will do bad things if they know there won't be any consequences of their acts.
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whats a good thing?
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^Protective attitude and jealousy.
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unreal icono
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i think icono's signature ("Intiha Pasand NahiN, Bahaya Tu HaiN") is a good example of what i was talking about. i think my views are probably close to iconoclast's on this. values like hayaa, ghairat in our culture when not taken to an extreme are good i think.
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well yea, nobodys gonna defend honour killings and forced marriages here.
You're complacent!
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^Protective attitude and jealousy.
protective attitude is good within limits and how it mainfests itself in the family dynamics.
I fail to understand how jealousy is good.
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Why does a man's "honor" lie in the sexual behaviour of the women in his household? Shouldn't he be doing something on his own?
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one word..jahalat
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Why does a man's "honor" lie in the sexual behaviour of the women in his household? Shouldn't he be doing something on his own?
So u mean it does not matter?
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'izzat' means respect.
& is not going any where as long as strong self rspecting and just people are around.
we all know that culturally, it means the value attached to the family or personal 'repute' or 'credibility' of people in their words and deeds.
how dependable they are.
the trick is to balance this with each person's own specific condition in their specific life situations.
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So u mean it does not matter?
No it doesn't matter. The woman is responsible for her own behavior. Who are you to judge her?
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ghairat samjhai nahiN ja sakti
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well i dunno what ghairat has to do with jealousy as you previously listed.
I can also not understand the ghairat that has different standards for guys versus girls.